[gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Nilesh Govindarajan]

I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T

These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3

How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
1075T and Linux support is awesome?

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Michael Mol]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan
<contact@nileshgr.com> wrote:
> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
>
> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3

Key pieces will be the northbridge, southbridge and LAN. Audio support
will depend on the nature of the southbridge. Everything else on those
boards looks pretty standardized. (You should be able to use AHCI for
SATA, EHCI/XHCI for USB, UHCI for IEEE 1394...)

For all three boards:
North Bridge: AMD 880G
South Bridge: AMD SB710

The LAN chipset differs slightly:

Gigabyte 880GM - Realtek 8111D
GA 880GM-USB3L - Realtek 8111D/E
880GM-USB3 - Realtek 8111E

AFAIK, the Realtek 8111 series is the onboard version of their 8169
series. I've got an 8111C in my system at home, and it works fine. I
don't know about the D and E variants.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 28.09.2011 19:54, schrieb Nilesh Govindarajan:
> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
> 
> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3
> 
> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
> 

I have got a Gigabyte GA-880GMA-UD2H after recommendations on this list.
The board is working perfectly fine.

Regards,
Florian Philipp


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[gentoo-user] Re: Motherboard support?

[masterprometheus]

Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
> 
> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3
 
 
> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?

Neither 880G nor SB710 is a new chipset, so they should work out of the 
box. But you may want to wait. Bulldozers will be out at October 12, and 
their prices won't very different than Phenom II's. And FX-8120, expected 
to be priced around $200 will be an 8-core, faster and better 
overclocker.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Motherboard support?

[Nilesh Govindarajan]

On 09/29/2011 03:21 AM, masterprometheus wrote:
> Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> 
>> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
>> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
>>
>> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
>> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3
>  
>  
>> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
>> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
> 
> Neither 880G nor SB710 is a new chipset, so they should work out of the 
> box. But you may want to wait. Bulldozers will be out at October 12, and 
> their prices won't very different than Phenom II's. And FX-8120, expected 
> to be priced around $200 will be an 8-core, faster and better 
> overclocker.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Bulldozers coming out in October 12, I'll better wait then. It has much
better virt support.

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Dale]

Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
>
> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L&  880GM-USB3
>
> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
>

I used this site to get this:

http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3

That's one of them and I think I saw another one from your list.  May I 
make a suggestion tho.  It looks like those have a built in video 
system, get a separate video card.  Of all the video issues I have ever 
had on Linux, it has been built in video cards.  There are other good 
reasons for this too, heat being one of them.

As to Gigabyte as a brand, I have a 770 based mobo and it works great.  
It's worth every penny and then some.  I have also had good luck with 
Abit several years ago.  I have installed on a MSI before too and it was 
stable.

If you want to research other mobos, start here:

http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/

There are two ways to do this.  If you have the mobo and can, paste the 
output of lspci -n in the box.  If you are researching and don't have 
the mobo yet, click on the links on the left to see if the one you are 
looking for is in the list.  When researching a mobo, I find that site 
invaluable to say the least.

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Nilesh Govindarajan]

On 09/29/2011 04:46 AM, Dale wrote:
> Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
>> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
>>
>> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
>> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L&  880GM-USB3
>>
>> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
>> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
>>
> 
> I used this site to get this:
> 
> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
> 
> That's one of them and I think I saw another one from your list.  May I
> make a suggestion tho.  It looks like those have a built in video
> system, get a separate video card.  Of all the video issues I have ever
> had on Linux, it has been built in video cards.  There are other good
> reasons for this too, heat being one of them.
> 
> As to Gigabyte as a brand, I have a 770 based mobo and it works great. 
> It's worth every penny and then some.  I have also had good luck with
> Abit several years ago.  I have installed on a MSI before too and it was
> stable.
> 
> If you want to research other mobos, start here:
> 
> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
> 
> There are two ways to do this.  If you have the mobo and can, paste the
> output of lspci -n in the box.  If you are researching and don't have
> the mobo yet, click on the links on the left to see if the one you are
> looking for is in the list.  When researching a mobo, I find that site
> invaluable to say the least.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves man.
It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for
other distros, they're most popular ones and have lot of support from
hardware manufacturers, hence good support for hardware using
propreitary drivers which is seldom present in other distros.

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Nilesh Govindarajan]

On Thu 29 Sep 2011 06:42:42 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> On 09/29/2011 04:46 AM, Dale wrote:
>> Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
>>> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
>>>
>>> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
>>> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L&  880GM-USB3
>>>
>>> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
>>> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
>>>
>>
>> I used this site to get this:
>>
>> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
>>
>> That's one of them and I think I saw another one from your list.  May I
>> make a suggestion tho.  It looks like those have a built in video
>> system, get a separate video card.  Of all the video issues I have ever
>> had on Linux, it has been built in video cards.  There are other good
>> reasons for this too, heat being one of them.
>>
>> As to Gigabyte as a brand, I have a 770 based mobo and it works great. 
>> It's worth every penny and then some.  I have also had good luck with
>> Abit several years ago.  I have installed on a MSI before too and it was
>> stable.
>>
>> If you want to research other mobos, start here:
>>
>> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
>>
>> There are two ways to do this.  If you have the mobo and can, paste the
>> output of lspci -n in the box.  If you are researching and don't have
>> the mobo yet, click on the links on the left to see if the one you are
>> looking for is in the list.  When researching a mobo, I find that site
>> invaluable to say the least.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>
> That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves man.
> It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for
> other distros, they're most popular ones and have lot of support from
> hardware manufacturers, hence good support for hardware using
> propreitary drivers which is seldom present in other distros.
>

I just checked that HCL: 
http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
It seems things are supported since linux-2.6.25, we're now using 3.0.4 
and above. Should be OK right?

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Dale]

Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> On Thu 29 Sep 2011 06:42:42 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>
>> That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves man.
>> It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for
>> other distros, they're most popular ones and have lot of support from
>> hardware manufacturers, hence good support for hardware using
>> propreitary drivers which is seldom present in other distros.
>>
> I just checked that HCL:
> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
> It seems things are supported since linux-2.6.25, we're now using 3.0.4
> and above. Should be OK right?
>

As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't 
matter much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro.  
It just matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine 
that anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to 
date kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel 
tested against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall 
correctly.  You seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new 
design or new chipset, try to get at least that version of kernel.

If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it 
should work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it 
should be really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I 
bought my new setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.

By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out 
for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with, 
then newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may 
not have all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the 
latest and greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine, 
it was about a year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the 
drivers stabilize.  It can also save you some money too.

Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in 
this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared 
to my older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My 
old rig was named smoker because at the time it was built, it was 
smoking.  My new rig is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be 
next.  After that, someone will just have to bury me.  Not much is 
faster than lightening.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

P. S.  If you get your things selected and want someone to double check, 
I'd be glad too.  I posted mine on here to make sure I hadn't missed 
anything.  The mobo, CPU and ram are the most essential things that have 
to be right.  You have some wobble room on the rest.  Also, Gigabyte has 
a list of supported ram and CPUs on their website.  That comes in handy.

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Pandu Poluan]

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On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>
>> On Thu 29 Sep 2011 06:42:42 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves
man.
>>> It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for
>>> other distros, they're most popular ones and have lot of support from
>>> hardware manufacturers, hence good support for hardware using
>>> propreitary drivers which is seldom present in other distros.
>>>
>> I just checked that HCL:
>> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
>> It seems things are supported since linux-2.6.25, we're now using 3.0.4
>> and above. Should be OK right?
>>
>
> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't matter
much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro.  It just
matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine that
anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to date
kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel tested
against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall correctly.  You
seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new design or new chipset,
try to get at least that version of kernel.
>
> If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it should
work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it should be
really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I bought my new
setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.
>
> By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out
for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with, then
newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may not have
all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the latest and
greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine, it was about a
year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the drivers stabilize.  It
can also save you some money too.
>
> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared to my
older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My old rig was
named smoker because at the time it was built, it was smoking.  My new rig
is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be next.  After that, someone
will just have to bury me.  Not much is faster than lightening.  lol

In particle physics, there are faster-than-light particles called Tachyons
:-)

Rgds,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Spidey / Claudio]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:34, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>
> On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu 29 Sep 2011 06:42:42 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves
>>>> man.
>>>> It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for
>>>> other distros, they're most popular ones and have lot of support from
>>>> hardware manufacturers, hence good support for hardware using
>>>> propreitary drivers which is seldom present in other distros.
>>>>
>>> I just checked that HCL:
>>> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
>>> It seems things are supported since linux-2.6.25, we're now using 3.0.4
>>> and above. Should be OK right?
>>>
>>
>> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't matter
>> much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro.  It just
>> matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine that
>> anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to date
>> kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel tested
>> against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall correctly.  You
>> seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new design or new chipset,
>> try to get at least that version of kernel.
>>
>> If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it should
>> work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it should be
>> really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I bought my new
>> setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.
>>
>> By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out
>> for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with, then
>> newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may not have
>> all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the latest and
>> greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine, it was about a
>> year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the drivers stabilize.  It
>> can also save you some money too.
>>
>> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
>> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared to my
>> older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My old rig was
>> named smoker because at the time it was built, it was smoking.  My new rig
>> is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be next.  After that, someone
>> will just have to bury me.  Not much is faster than lightening.  lol
>
> In particle physics, there are faster-than-light particles called Tachyons
> :-)
>
> Rgds,
>

Better spend lots of time and planning on what machine will receive
that name: not many more things can be expected to be faster than
Tachyons.

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Dale]

Spidey / Claudio wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:34, Pandu Poluan<pandu@poluan.info>  wrote:
>> On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale"<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't matter
>>> much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro.  It just
>>> matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine that
>>> anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to date
>>> kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel tested
>>> against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall correctly.  You
>>> seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new design or new chipset,
>>> try to get at least that version of kernel.
>>>
>>> If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it should
>>> work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it should be
>>> really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I bought my new
>>> setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.
>>>
>>> By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out
>>> for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with, then
>>> newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may not have
>>> all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the latest and
>>> greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine, it was about a
>>> year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the drivers stabilize.  It
>>> can also save you some money too.
>>>
>>> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
>>> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared to my
>>> older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My old rig was
>>> named smoker because at the time it was built, it was smoking.  My new rig
>>> is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be next.  After that, someone
>>> will just have to bury me.  Not much is faster than lightening.  lol
>> In particle physics, there are faster-than-light particles called Tachyons
>> :-)
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
> Better spend lots of time and planning on what machine will receive
> that name: not many more things can be expected to be faster than
> Tachyons.
>
>

Dale makes note of the thing faster than light.  Maybe I will get to 
live longer now.  lol  I get about 7 to 8 years out of a build.  So, I 
just went from say 16 more years to say 24 or so.  At my age with my 
health, I need all the help I can get.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Pandu Poluan]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:18, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spidey / Claudio wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:34, Pandu Poluan<pandu@poluan.info>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale"<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
>>>> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared
>>>> to my
>>>> older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My old rig
>>>> was
>>>> named smoker because at the time it was built, it was smoking.  My new
>>>> rig
>>>> is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be next.  After that,
>>>> someone
>>>> will just have to bury me.  Not much is faster than lightening.  lol
>>>
>>> In particle physics, there are faster-than-light particles called
>>> Tachyons
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>>
>> Better spend lots of time and planning on what machine will receive
>> that name: not many more things can be expected to be faster than
>> Tachyons.
>>
>>
>
> Dale makes note of the thing faster than light.  Maybe I will get to live
> longer now.  lol  I get about 7 to 8 years out of a build.  So, I just went
> from say 16 more years to say 24 or so.  At my age with my health, I need
> all the help I can get.
>

Call the next rig ultra-tachyon and you're good for 32 years ;-)

Rgds,
-- 
FdS Pandu E Poluan
~ IT Optimizer ~

 • LOPSA Member #15248
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Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Spidey / Claudio]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 01:27, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:18, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Spidey / Claudio wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:34, Pandu Poluan<pandu@poluan.info>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale"<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
>>>>> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared
>>>>> to my
>>>>> older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My old rig
>>>>> was
>>>>> named smoker because at the time it was built, it was smoking.  My new
>>>>> rig
>>>>> is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be next.  After that,
>>>>> someone
>>>>> will just have to bury me.  Not much is faster than lightening.  lol
>>>>
>>>> In particle physics, there are faster-than-light particles called
>>>> Tachyons
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Rgds,
>>>>
>>> Better spend lots of time and planning on what machine will receive
>>> that name: not many more things can be expected to be faster than
>>> Tachyons.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Dale makes note of the thing faster than light.  Maybe I will get to live
>> longer now.  lol  I get about 7 to 8 years out of a build.  So, I just went
>> from say 16 more years to say 24 or so.  At my age with my health, I need
>> all the help I can get.
>>
>
> Call the next rig ultra-tachyon and you're good for 32 years ;-)
>
> Rgds,
> --
> FdS Pandu E Poluan
> ~ IT Optimizer ~
>
>  • LOPSA Member #15248
>  • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com
>  • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan
>
>

I'd suggest just not going straight to lightning from fireball. What
about Usain Bolt in between?

Claudio Roberto França Pereira (a.k.a. Spidey)
hardMOB - HTForum - @spideybr
Engenharia de Computação - UFES 2006/1

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Michael Mol]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spidey / Claudio wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:34, Pandu Poluan<pandu@poluan.info>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale"<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't
>>>> matter
>>>> much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro.  It just
>>>> matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine that
>>>> anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to date
>>>> kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel tested
>>>> against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall correctly.
>>>>  You
>>>> seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new design or new
>>>> chipset,
>>>> try to get at least that version of kernel.
>>>>
>>>> If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it
>>>> should
>>>> work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it should be
>>>> really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I bought my new
>>>> setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out
>>>> for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with,
>>>> then
>>>> newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may not
>>>> have
>>>> all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the latest and
>>>> greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine, it was about
>>>> a
>>>> year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the drivers stabilize.
>>>>  It
>>>> can also save you some money too.
>>>>
>>>> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
>>>> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared
>>>> to my
>>>> older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My old rig
>>>> was
>>>> named smoker because at the time it was built, it was smoking.  My new
>>>> rig
>>>> is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be next.  After that,
>>>> someone
>>>> will just have to bury me.  Not much is faster than lightening.  lol
>>>
>>> In particle physics, there are faster-than-light particles called
>>> Tachyons
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>>
>> Better spend lots of time and planning on what machine will receive
>> that name: not many more things can be expected to be faster than
>> Tachyons.
>>
>>
>
> Dale makes note of the thing faster than light.  Maybe I will get to live
> longer now.  lol  I get about 7 to 8 years out of a build.  So, I just went
> from say 16 more years to say 24 or so.  At my age with my health, I need
> all the help I can get.

You might get some mileage out of:
lightning -> neutron -> photon -> neutrino -> tachyon

HTH

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Dale]

Michael Mol wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Dale makes note of the thing faster than light.  Maybe I will get to live
>> longer now.  lol  I get about 7 to 8 years out of a build.  So, I just went
>> from say 16 more years to say 24 or so.  At my age with my health, I need
>> all the help I can get.
> You might get some mileage out of:
> lightning ->  neutron ->  photon ->  neutrino ->  tachyon
>
> HTH
>

I'll have to copy this to my savers folder for future reference.  I just 
wonder where computers will be 20 years from now.  They have sure come a 
LONG way in the past 20.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Nilesh Govindarajan]

On 09/29/2011 08:18 AM, Dale wrote:
> Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>> On Thu 29 Sep 2011 06:42:42 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>>>
>>> That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves
>>> man.
>>> It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for
>>> other distros, they're most popular ones and have lot of support from
>>> hardware manufacturers, hence good support for hardware using
>>> propreitary drivers which is seldom present in other distros.
>>>
>> I just checked that HCL:
>> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-880GM-USB3
>> It seems things are supported since linux-2.6.25, we're now using 3.0.4
>> and above. Should be OK right?
>>
> 
> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't
> matter much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro. 
> It just matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine
> that anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to
> date kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel
> tested against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall
> correctly.  You seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new
> design or new chipset, try to get at least that version of kernel.
>

I know that it is actually in the kernel, but some companies like Nvidia
package propreitary drivers only for Ubuntu/Debian, so it at times makes
sense to check it out in detail. I have had lot of fights over this
point on twitter with friends, in fact it resulted in myself getting
blocked (and unblocked later hehe).

> If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it
> should work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it
> should be really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I
> bought my new setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.
> 
> By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out
> for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with,
> then newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may
> not have all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the
> latest and greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine,
> it was about a year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the
> drivers stabilize.  It can also save you some money too.
> 
> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared
> to my older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My
> old rig was named smoker because at the time it was built, it was
> smoking.  My new rig is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be
> next.  After that, someone will just have to bury me.  Not much is
> faster than lightening.  lol
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 
> P. S.  If you get your things selected and want someone to double check,
> I'd be glad too.  I posted mine on here to make sure I hadn't missed
> anything.  The mobo, CPU and ram are the most essential things that have
> to be right.  You have some wobble room on the rest.  Also, Gigabyte has
> a list of supported ram and CPUs on their website.  That comes in handy.
> 

Quad Core 3.2 Ghz with 16 GB of RAM that's big piece man. Well as I said
earlier, I'm thinking of that 1075T thing and may be 4-8 GB of RAM
(depends on cost, because I've to get myself a 22 or 24 inch LCD as
well), but since bulldozers are going to be launched on 12th October,
I'll prefer to wait, they have tons of new virtualization-related
features. Will save me from installing windows directly onto the machine
to play games (I usually don't, but after getting such a powerful
machine, may be) and troubling it for no reason with that piece of bullshit.

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Dale]

Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> On 09/29/2011 08:18 AM, Dale wrote:
>>
>> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't
>> matter much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro.
>> It just matters that the kernel supports the hardware.  I would imagine
>> that anything listed there as working is supported by Linux with a up to
>> date kernel.  It all comes down to the kernel.  By the way, the kernel
>> tested against is listed in the top right hand corner if I recall
>> correctly.  You seem to have noticed that too.  If the mobo is a new
>> design or new chipset, try to get at least that version of kernel.
>>
> I know that it is actually in the kernel, but some companies like Nvidia
> package propreitary drivers only for Ubuntu/Debian, so it at times makes
> sense to check it out in detail. I have had lot of fights over this
> point on twitter with friends, in fact it resulted in myself getting
> blocked (and unblocked later hehe).
>

As far as I know, nvidia drivers should work with about any distro.  I 
have installed the same drivers on Gentoo that I used on Mandrake.  That 
was a while ago but they look the same to me.  Keep in mind, Gentoo is 
source based which makes it different.  Binary distros are not.


>> If it shows things are working for the mobo you are checking on, it
>> should work fine.  I think the 880 chipset has been out a while so it
>> should be really stable by now.  I seem to recall it was out when I
>> bought my new setup but was still getting worked on for drivers.
>>
>> By the way, it is always somewhat wise to buy things that have been out
>> for a while.  If you are building a spare or something to play with,
>> then newer stuff is fine.  I say this because some very new hardware may
>> not have all the kinks worked out.  Unless you really really need the
>> latest and greatest, pick a slightly older setup.  When I picked mine,
>> it was about a year old.  That is usually plenty of time to let the
>> drivers stabilize.  It can also save you some money too.
>>
>> Now to be nosy, how many cores and how much ram you planning to put in
>> this new rig?  I have a 4 core 3.2Ghz CPU with 16Gbs of ram.  Compared
>> to my older AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram, the new rig is super fast.  My
>> old rig was named smoker because at the time it was built, it was
>> smoking.  My new rig is named fireball.  I guess lightening will be
>> next.  After that, someone will just have to bury me.  Not much is
>> faster than lightening.  lol
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>> P. S.  If you get your things selected and want someone to double check,
>> I'd be glad too.  I posted mine on here to make sure I hadn't missed
>> anything.  The mobo, CPU and ram are the most essential things that have
>> to be right.  You have some wobble room on the rest.  Also, Gigabyte has
>> a list of supported ram and CPUs on their website.  That comes in handy.
>>
> Quad Core 3.2 Ghz with 16 GB of RAM that's big piece man. Well as I said
> earlier, I'm thinking of that 1075T thing and may be 4-8 GB of RAM
> (depends on cost, because I've to get myself a 22 or 24 inch LCD as
> well), but since bulldozers are going to be launched on 12th October,
> I'll prefer to wait, they have tons of new virtualization-related
> features. Will save me from installing windows directly onto the machine
> to play games (I usually don't, but after getting such a powerful
> machine, may be) and troubling it for no reason with that piece of bullshit.
>


Here is some advice.  When you buy memory, buy so that you don't have to 
remove anything to upgrade.  If for example the mobo takes a max 4Gb 
stick in each slot, get a 4Gb stick or two of them.  I started with 4Gbs 
and while it did fine, I can tell the difference when I added the 
extra.  If you do that, you don't have to remove a stick to upgrade or 
keep them paired up.  I started with 4Gb, went to 8Gb then bought a 8Gb 
kit and went to the full 16Gbs.  They do seem to run faster in pairs.

I can't blame you for waiting on the CPU if it is what you really want.  
I usually buy a couple notches down on the CPU and save some cash.  You 
won't tell very much difference between a 3.4Ghz and a 3.2Ghz.  Now if 
you are doing something really CPU intensive, then you may need the 
extra.  Me, I balance out cost verses speed.  I like a lot of bang for 
little bucks.  That said, I hope to get a 6 core when the prices go down 
some.  Maybe when yours comes out, they will start to drop on mine.  :-)

I have to say, this rig is pretty fast.  Example:

Sat Sep 17 04:03:00 2011 >>> app-office/libreoffice-3.3.4
merge time: 52 minutes and 42 seconds.

That would be while I am logged into KDE and doing no telling what.

Post back when you get your stuff picked out.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: Motherboard support?

[James]

Nilesh Govindarajan <contact <at> nileshgr.com> writes:


> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3

Dunno.

> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?

I'm posting a little trick, for new hardware:
/usr/sbin/update-pciids

 (eix update-pciids )

New hardware often needs the latest in pciids...

Or USE flag +network-cron which installs a CRON task to 
   run those utils on a regular basis (once a month or so.


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Motherboard support?

[Dale]

James wrote:
> Nilesh Govindarajan<contact<at>  nileshgr.com>  writes:
>
>
>> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
>> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L&  880GM-USB3
> Dunno.
>
>> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
>> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
> I'm posting a little trick, for new hardware:
> /usr/sbin/update-pciids
>
>   (eix update-pciids )
>
> New hardware often needs the latest in pciids...
>
> Or USE flag +network-cron which installs a CRON task to
>     run those utils on a regular basis (once a month or so.
>
>
> hth,
> James
>
>

I think I'm missing something.  If the OP has not bought the mobo yet, 
how is that going to help?  I'm assuming that that is what lspci uses to 
print out what is on a mobo but I can't figure out how that will work if 
the mobo is in a box at the store.

Help a old fart out here.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 23:24:41 schrieb Nilesh Govindarajan:
> I'll be soon getting a new desktop.
> I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T
> 
> These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above
> processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3
> 
> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?

most probably they will just work.

880G works
710 works
the networking chips are standard stuff and work
the audio is standard stuff and works
the superio/sensors chip is most probably the same as for the rest of 
gigabystes 880G offerings - and works.

have the 880GA-UD3H rev 2.1 and everything just works. Including fanspeed (but 
I let the mainboard doing it.)

-- 
#163933

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

[Adam Carter]

>> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support
>> 1075T and Linux support is awesome?
>
> most probably they will just work.

I've just built a machine based on GA-880-GM-UD2H that I bought a
couple of years ago, and it works well. It supports 1090T and 1100T,
which you should look at - the price difference to the 1075T is very
small. I'm thinking of swapping out the 260 I have with one of these
because they're so cheap.

WRT hardware support - the rule of thumb is, if you're running newly
released hardware you'll probably want to run the latest kernel you
can - which is easy with Gentoo. AFAIK distros dont do much around
extra hardware support other than backporting newer drivers (to
support newly released hardware) on their specific kernel version.
Obviously there's no need for that on Gentoo.