From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N2wPu-00051g-2u for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:29:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C482E08F3; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76B2E08F3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BB9B4778 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:29:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.498 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wSE+9ITn7JN3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF2CB48F9 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N2wPa-0004lD-1C for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:29:14 +0100 Received: from buffer.net ([24.73.161.102]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:29:14 +0100 Received: from wireless by buffer.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:29:14 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: James Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: kde4 upgrading Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <200910280024.30685.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 24.73.161.102 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090930 SeaMonkey/1.1.18) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: c7f819e9-0aa8-4d24-bd50-59598615ef16 X-Archives-Hash: add0fe9d31d32b1f14b11a0736f05f36 Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > 4.3.2 seems to work fine for most folk. These days it's X causing grief, not > KDE... OK, so I keep the system locked down on X (that it is using) and just deal with kde4 for now. > Pick the primary workstation and get that one right, either using sets you > like or the -meta packages. kde-meta is ideal for me. I thought it was going away? Since kde(4)-meta is alive and well, that is my preferred method. I hope when kde-meta goes away (?) there is a migration plan? When this whole kde4 venture started for me (feb 09) I was told to avoid meta as it is going away....... > x11-terms/clusterssh is your friend here: > configure it to log into all your workstations; > launch it; > what you type is sent to every workstation > aka how-to-update-many-machines-in-parallel Interesting, but not what I'm looking for. I do not mind upgrading the systems one at a time. I just do 1 per day, while I do other work. What has me "hacked" is that every time I do an upgrade to kde4, it seems to be a different set of problems, even though the upgrades are a few days apart. Multiply across a dozen workstations, and it's a time sink. Granted, I have various CPU arch (intel or amd64) different video hardware and various X and drivers that contributes. But chasing down packages in sets and dealing with the daily dynamic (every few days a different issue) is just too much for me. META_MAN is my hero! How long is kde-meta going to be around? That's really what I'm looking for..... PS, if one of you really smart guys figures out mass/parallel upgrades, then I'd use that, even set up my own server to keep it efficient. I'm not smart enough (not enough time at current mental aptitude) to set all of that up, unless somebody else does the foundational work..... But I very much like the concept. Upgrade a master system. Test it. Then push your own binaries/files to the other systems you manage. Somebody figures that out, i.e. works out the bugs, Gentoo is going mainstream...... If someone did that, they could just put their admin scripts and settings in an ebuild. Then users could just emerge that ebuild and set the list of installed packages. VERY COOL. James