[gentoo-user] X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[gentoo-user] X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Arrrrrrrrrgh.......


I week or so ago, I thought I had my main system stable. it borked again.

So here is what I have now:

kernel : 2.6.28-gentoo-r5
gcc (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2) 
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 954f (ATI 4350)
kde 4.2.4 
evdev 2.1.3
rc-status:
acpid dbus hald hotplug ivman 

I'm using 'startx' to start kdm (xdm has been removed from rc auto
starting cause it hoses the system to where the ethernet does not even
work. It now boot, I long in on cosole and via ssh and all is fine
except the gui (X+kde4+evdev/hal/ati/....)

I've spent the better part of a week trying to get older
versions of ati-drivers & xorg-server working (failed)...

So I'm looking at the Xorg.0.log file to try to figure this out.
So. Here is what I have now:

ati-drivers-9.6
Missing digest for
'/usr/portage/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/gentoo-sources-2.6.29-r6.ebuild'

NOT sure where this is coming from, as the latest kernel on the system
is    linux-2.6.29-gentoo-r5  (maybe a newer kernel is needed)?

I'm running on 28.5 as it seem stable.

'emerge portage-utils; qlist -I -C x11-drivers/' has been ran.
as well as frequently. 


HELP.....ideas as to what combo will work for me?

Re: [gentoo-user] X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:43:00 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> I'm using 'startx' to start kdm (xdm has been removed from rc auto

startx starts and X session and runs~/.xinitrc, it does not start kdm. If
you want to go into KDE from a console, use startkde.

> starting cause it hoses the system to where the ethernet does not even
> work. It now boot, I long in on cosole and via ssh and all is fine
> except the gui (X+kde4+evdev/hal/ati/....)

What's the problem? You haven't mentioned what goes wrong.
What's in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log?

> I've spent the better part of a week trying to get older
> versions of ati-drivers & xorg-server working (failed)...
> 
> So I'm looking at the Xorg.0.log file to try to figure this out.
> So. Here is what I have now:
> 
> ati-drivers-9.6
> Missing digest for
> '/usr/portage/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/gentoo-sources-2.6.29-r6.ebuild'

This is a message from portage, nothing to do with X, although it should
be fixed with emerge --sync.

> 'emerge portage-utils; qlist -I -C x11-drivers/' has been ran.
> as well as frequently. 

All that does is list the drivers you have installed, you may need to
re-emerge them after an update to xorg-server

emerge -1a $(qlist -I -C x11-drivers)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Why is it that when you transport something by car it's called shipment,
but when you transport it by ship it's called cargo?

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[gentoo-user] Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:



> startx starts and X session and runs~/.xinitrc, it does not start kdm. If
> you want to go into KDE from a console, use startkde.

It says:
'$DISPLAY is not set'


> What's the problem? You haven't mentioned what goes wrong.
> What's in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log?

(II) Cannot locate a core pointer device.
(II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.
        If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyInput.
(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse'
will be disabled.
(WW) Disabling Keyboard1
(WW) Disabling USB Mouse
(II) Loader magic: 0xd20

 Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so
(II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
        compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.62.4
        Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 02@00:00:0
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx

(--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4350" (Chipset = 0x954f)
(WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported




> emerge -1a $(qlist -I -C x11-drivers)

<brainfart> yes pretty much what I did...


too much family drama lately. Not thinking clearly
nor do I get quality time right now..

James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:17:03 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> > What's in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log?  
> 
> (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device.
> (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.
>         If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable
> AllowEmptyInput. (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers
> 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
> (WW) Disabling Keyboard1
> (WW) Disabling USB Mouse
> (II) Loader magic: 0xd20
> 

This pretty much explains it. You are trying to use the kbd and mouse
drivers, instead of letting HAL take care of it. Either add
AllowEmptyInput = "false" or remove/comment the mouse and keyboard
sections of xorg.conf. Or even move xorg.conf out of the way and let
xorg work it out for itself.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Don't just do something, sit there!

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[gentoo-user] Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> This pretty much explains it. You are trying to use the kbd and mouse
> drivers, instead of letting HAL take care of it. Either add
> AllowEmptyInput = "false" or remove/comment the mouse and keyboard
> sections of xorg.conf. Or even move xorg.conf out of the way and let
> xorg work it out for itself.


OK, so I'll just delete the mouse and kbd stuff...So It's giving me this
error:




(II) Cannot locate a core pointer device.                                      
                  
(II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device.                                     
                  
(II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.            
                  
        If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable
AllowEmptyInput.   



Below, maybe you can whittle down my xorg.conf to what I still needs.

Hours do not give me anything. A scant xorg.conf file that works
is best for me....(?).

Here the xorg.conf file:

Section "ServerLayout"

        Identifier     "Simple Layout"
        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
#       InputDevice    "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
#       InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"    
#       InputDevice     "USB Mouse" "AlwaysCore" 
EndSection                                       

Section "Files"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/util"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/encodings"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/misc"     
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/corefonts"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"      
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"   
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"    
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/default/ghostscript"
EndSection                                                    

Section "Module"

        Load  "dbe"     # Double buffer extension
        SubSection "extmod"                      
        Option      "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
        EndSubSection                                                        

#       Load  "freetype"
#       Load        "xtt"
        Load  "dri"      
        Load  "glx"      
#### james addes these   
        Load    "GLcore" 
        Load    "ddc"    
        Load    "vbe"    
        Load    "extmod" 
        Load    "bitmap" 
#       Load    "type1"  
        Load    "record" 
EndSection               

Section "InputDevice"

        Identifier  "Keyboard1"
        Driver      "kbd"      
        Option      "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
        Option      "XkbRules" "xorg"    
        Option      "XkbModel" "pc104"   
        Option      "XkbLayout" "us"     
EndSection                               

#Section "InputDevice"

#       Identifier  "Mouse1"
#       Driver      "mouse" 
#       Option      "Protocol" "Auto"   # Auto detect
#       Option      "Device" "/dev/input/mice"       
#       Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"         
#       Option      "Emulate3Buttons"                
#EndSection                                          

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "sceptre20"
        HorizSync    31.0 - 80.0
        VertRefresh  60.0 - 75.0
#       DisplaySize 426 266     
# width  = (1680pix  / 100pix/in) x [25.4mm/in] =  427 --> 426
# hieght = (1050pix  / 100pix/in) x [25.4mm/in] =  267 --> 266
EndSection                                                    

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
        Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
        Option      "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
        Option      "DPMS" "true"                              
EndSection                                                     

Section "Device"
    #VideoRam    524288
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
        Identifier  "ati1900xt"              
        Driver      "ati"                    
EndSection                                   

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
        Driver      "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "Screen 1"
        Device     "ati1900xt"
        Monitor    "sceptre20"
        DefaultDepth     32
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     8
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     16
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     32
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
        Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "dri"
  Group "video"
  Mode 0666
EndSection

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Daniel da Veiga]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 15:49, James<wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Below, maybe you can whittle down my xorg.conf to what I still needs.
>
> Hours do not give me anything. A scant xorg.conf file that works
> is best for me....(?).
>
> Here the xorg.conf file:
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
>
>        Identifier     "Simple Layout"
>        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
> #       InputDevice    "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
> #       InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
> #       InputDevice     "USB Mouse" "AlwaysCore"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Files"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/util"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/encodings"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/corefonts"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
>        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/default/ghostscript"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Module"
>
>        Load  "dbe"     # Double buffer extension
>        SubSection "extmod"
>        Option      "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
>        EndSubSection
>
> #       Load  "freetype"
> #       Load        "xtt"
>        Load  "dri"
>        Load  "glx"
> #### james addes these
>        Load    "GLcore"
>        Load    "ddc"
>        Load    "vbe"
>        Load    "extmod"
>        Load    "bitmap"
> #       Load    "type1"
>        Load    "record"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>
>        Identifier  "Keyboard1"
>        Driver      "kbd"
>        Option      "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
>        Option      "XkbRules" "xorg"
>        Option      "XkbModel" "pc104"
>        Option      "XkbLayout" "us"
> EndSection
>
> #Section "InputDevice"
>
> #       Identifier  "Mouse1"
> #       Driver      "mouse"
> #       Option      "Protocol" "Auto"   # Auto detect
> #       Option      "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> #       Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> #       Option      "Emulate3Buttons"
> #EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>        Identifier   "sceptre20"
>        HorizSync    31.0 - 80.0
>        VertRefresh  60.0 - 75.0
> #       DisplaySize 426 266
> # width  = (1680pix  / 100pix/in) x [25.4mm/in] =  427 --> 426
> # hieght = (1050pix  / 100pix/in) x [25.4mm/in] =  267 --> 266
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>        Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
>        Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
>        Option      "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
>        Option      "DPMS" "true"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>    #VideoRam    524288
>    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
>        Identifier  "ati1900xt"
>        Driver      "ati"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
>        Driver      "fglrx"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>        Identifier "Screen 1"
>        Device     "ati1900xt"
>        Monitor    "sceptre20"
>        DefaultDepth     32
>        SubSection "Display"
>                Viewport   0 0
>                Depth     8
>                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
>        EndSubSection
>        SubSection "Display"
>                Viewport   0 0
>                Depth     16
>                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
>        EndSubSection
>        SubSection "Display"
>                Viewport   0 0
>                Depth     24
>                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
>        EndSubSection
>        SubSection "Display"
>                Viewport   0 0
>                Depth     32
>                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
>        EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
>        Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
>        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
>        DefaultDepth     24
>        SubSection "Display"
>                Viewport   0 0
>                Depth     24
>        EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Section "dri"
>  Group "video"
>  Mode 0666
> EndSection
>

Have you followed this guide?

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml

Cause it explains a lot about how input devices are handled by hal
with xorg 1.5. It even explains changes to xorg.conf (if you decide to
keep one).

-- 
Daniel da Veiga

[gentoo-user] Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Daniel da Veiga <danieldaveiga <at> gmail.com> writes:



> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml

Yes I've read it severaltimes. everthing I try fails.

No xorg.conf does not work either. I seem to get closer
with hacking down the xorg.conf file, but now I'm stumped.


> Cause it explains a lot about how input devices are handled by hal
> with xorg 1.5. It even explains changes to xorg.conf (if you decide to
> keep one).


Yea, big mental breakdown here. I've been using X/bsd/linux/unix
for decades but I'm a beatin down looser this time around, or
else I would not be posting to a public forum like this....


I need suggestions as to how to whittle it down further.

ideas?


Jaems

[gentoo-user] Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:



> emerge -1a $(qlist -I -C x11-drivers)


I've had this installed:



 {acpi debug doc kernel_linux modules multilib opengl qt3}
     Installed versions:  9.6(1)(02:57:47 07/15/09)(acpi kernel_linux -debug)



I ran 'emerge sync' as suggested.

Now I cannot recompile ati-drivers 9.6:





* ERROR: x11-drivers/ati-drivers-9.6 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *               ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_compile
 *             environment, line 3465:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
 *             environment, line 2671:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *               eval "emake HOSTCC=\"$(tc-getBUILD_CC)\"                      
                    CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                                    
     LDFLAGS=\"$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)\"      ${BUILD_FIXES}                        
                  ${BUILD_PARAMS}                             ${BUILD_TARGETS} "
|| die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)" CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-
LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES} ${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
 *  The die message:
 *   Unable to emake HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  GCC_VER_MAJ=4 KVER= KDIR= kmod_build


remember the previous post (Xorg.0.log) said the chipset was fine.


I've had this video card for 6 months and all has been fine 
until recently...


ideas?

[gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

James <wireless <at> tampabay.rr.com> writes:


> ideas?

I thought I'd post my working xorg.conf with ati-drivers-9.6.
It can probable be whittle down more, but it works with
xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 so I done for now..... 
thx to all that help....
James



Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "Simple Layout"
        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/util"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/encodings"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/corefonts"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/default/ghostscript"
EndSection
Section "Module"
        Load  "dbe"     # Double buffer extension
        SubSection "extmod"
        Option      "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
        EndSubSection
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "glx"
        Load    "GLcore"
        Load    "ddc"
        Load    "vbe"
        Load    "extmod"
        Load    "bitmap"
        Load    "record"
EndSection
#Section "ServerFlags"
#      Option  "AllowEmptyInput"       "false"
#EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "sceptre20"
        HorizSync    31.0 - 80.0
        VertRefresh  60.0 - 75.0
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "ati1900xt"
        Driver      "ati"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
        Driver      "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "Screen 1"
        Device     "ati1900xt"
        Monitor    "sceptre20"
        DefaultDepth     32
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     8
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     16
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     32
                Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
        Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "dri"
  Group "video"
  Mode 0666
EndSection

Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Keith Dart]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:10:35 +0000 (UTC)
James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> I thought I'd post my working xorg.conf with ati-drivers-9.6.
> It can probable be whittle down more, but it works with
> xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 so I done for now..... 
> thx to all that help....

Just FYI, I also have a recent ATI card in my system. I tried the
ati-drivers initially, but they suck. They perform poorly for 2D, and
they are strictly 32bit so you also have to run mixed-mode X server on a
64 bit system. 

The open-source x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati package works much better.
If you don't really need the 3D acceleration I'd recommend you switch
to that.
 

-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith@dartworks.biz>
=======================

Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 16 Juli 2009, Keith Dart wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:10:35 +0000 (UTC)
>
> James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > I thought I'd post my working xorg.conf with ati-drivers-9.6.
> > It can probable be whittle down more, but it works with
> > xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 so I done for now.....
> > thx to all that help....
>
> Just FYI, I also have a recent ATI card in my system. I tried the
> ati-drivers initially, but they suck. They perform poorly for 2D, and
> they are strictly 32bit so you also have to run mixed-mode X server on a
> 64 bit system.

so very wrong.

>
> The open-source x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati package works much better.
> If you don't really need the 3D acceleration I'd recommend you switch
> to that.

except that they don't have working powermanagment, increasing energy 
consumption (a lot) and noise (even more).

Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Keith Dart]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:56:57 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:

> so very wrong.

From the AMD driver web site:

"32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install
or work. "

The ebuild also pulls in the app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-xlibs
package. 

Please explain.

> >
> > The open-source x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati package works much
> > better. If you don't really need the 3D acceleration I'd recommend
> > you switch to that.  
> 
> except that they don't have working powermanagment, increasing energy 
> consumption (a lot) and noise (even more).

I hadn't noticed that. I did notice a definite speed and
stability improvement after switching to the open-source drivers. The
ati-drivers also crashed my system occasionally.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 16 Juli 2009, Keith Dart wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:56:57 +0200
>
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > so very wrong.
>
> From the AMD driver web site:
>
> "32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install
> or work. "

yes, but that does not mean 'strictly 32bit'. In fact, that part of the amd 
website is wrong, as Bridgeman explained in the phoronix forum. The amd 
drivers work perfectly fine in a pure 64bit environment.

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10868&highlight=32-
Bit+packages+installed+64-Bit+Linux+drivers+install

>
> The ebuild also pulls in the app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-xlibs
> package.

because the maintainer believes a wrong website and not facts. Also you need 
the 32bit emul stuff when you try to run 32bit apps - like a lot of people 
still do or want to do. In a non-multilib environment those are not needed. 
There is a bug open about this.

>
> Please explain.
>

you said 'strictly 32bit' which is absolutely and utterly wrong.



> > > The open-source x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati package works much
> > > better. If you don't really need the 3D acceleration I'd recommend
> > > you switch to that.
> >
> > except that they don't have working powermanagment, increasing energy
> > consumption (a lot) and noise (even more).
>
> I hadn't noticed that. I did notice a definite speed and
> stability improvement after switching to the open-source drivers. The
> ati-drivers also crashed my system occasionally.

106W with catalyst.
170W with open source drivers.

fan quiet with catalyst (not able to hear it) in KDE and most of the time 
playing games.
fan extremely loud with open source drivers.

air warm (2 slot card) with catalyst.
air hot with open source drivers.

2d mostly acceptable with catalyst (I can live with the shortcomings since i 
don't have problems with 'Tearing' or slow window resize with composite turned 
on).
2d always acceptable with open source drivers.

3d very good with catalyst.
3d not existing with open source drivers.

The only crash I can see with 9.6 and 2.6.30:
if the monitor was sent into standby/off mode, turns back on and an app uses xv 
to display video or a 3d game starts there is a high chance that the box might 
lock up in the next couple of minutes.

Since I am at my box either almost all the time or turn it off, this isn't a 
problem for me - it might be for other people.

Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Keith Dart]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:16:02 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:

> you said 'strictly 32bit' which is absolutely and utterly wrong.

Sorry, bad wording on my part. I should have said "mixed" since that is
what the web site (and ebuild) implies. My knowledge comes
strictly from the "facts" from the official web site. That's all I have
to go on. Well, there is also my experience with it...

There is one thing I know for certain: This is the first ATI card I
ever bought or spec-ed, and it will be the last one.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 16 Juli 2009, Keith Dart wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:16:02 +0200
>
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > you said 'strictly 32bit' which is absolutely and utterly wrong.
>
> Sorry, bad wording on my part. I should have said "mixed" since that is
> what the web site (and ebuild) implies. My knowledge comes
> strictly from the "facts" from the official web site. That's all I have
> to go on. Well, there is also my experience with it...
>
> There is one thing I know for certain: This is the first ATI card I
> ever bought or spec-ed, and it will be the last one.

sure. Support companies that don't care about open source drivers.

And remember: when Nvidia fucks up their drivers (look at nvnews for people 
out of luck) you are screwed. With AMD the work on the open drivers is nicely 
going forward - so you will be able to choose.


http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzM4Mg

Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Keith Dart]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:25:06 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:

> sure. Support companies that don't care about open source drivers.

I also use boards with Intel embedded graphics chips. :-) They also have
a strong open-source effort. In fact, I think they have the best
open-source driver support in the industry. 

> And remember: when Nvidia fucks up their drivers (look at nvnews for
> people out of luck) you are screwed. With AMD the work on the open
> drivers is nicely going forward - so you will be able to choose.

Perhaps "never" is too harsh. When AMD chips have full support of
features in open-source drivers for the Xorg server that are
stable and fast without any 32-bitness then perhaps I will reconsider.
But I don't expect that to happen any time soon.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 16 Juli 2009, Keith Dart wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:25:06 +0200
>
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > sure. Support companies that don't care about open source drivers.
>
> I also use boards with Intel embedded graphics chips. :-) They also have
> a strong open-source effort. In fact, I think they have the best
> open-source driver support in the industry.
>

yeah? look at phoronix again. Their current drivers are completly fucked up. 
Plus no drivers for Pulsbo' chips.

> > And remember: when Nvidia fucks up their drivers (look at nvnews for
> > people out of luck) you are screwed. With AMD the work on the open
> > drivers is nicely going forward - so you will be able to choose.
>
> Perhaps "never" is too harsh. When AMD chips have full support of
> features in open-source drivers for the Xorg server that are
> stable and fast without any 32-bitness then perhaps I will reconsider.
> But I don't expect that to happen any time soon.

again: there is no '32 bitness'. As bridgeman explained in the thread I sent 
you the link to.

Re: [gentoo-user] Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Keith Dart]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:45:31 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:

> yeah? look at phoronix again. Their current drivers are completly
> fucked up. Plus no drivers for Pulsbo' chips.

I'm using current Intel drivers on another machine and they seem fine
to me. But I don't care much about 3D performance. My own "benchmark"
is how fast can I switch virtual desktops. ;-) The fglx (?) driver was
very noticeably slow and annoying, and unstable. Another strange
annoyance of it was my console would lock up for minutes at a time, but
not exactly hang (I could ssh into the machine), but then
mysteriously start working again. It would do that frequently. The
open-source drivers don't do that. 

So that's my experience that I go by to make a recommendation to the OP.

> again: there is no '32 bitness'. As bridgeman explained in the thread
> I sent you the link to.

Thanks for the clarification. One down...



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[gentoo-user] Re: Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:



> 106W with catalyst.
> 170W with open source drivers.


Nice to know. Can you be verbose on how you measured these
values.


> fan quiet with catalyst (not able to hear it) in KDE and most of the time 
> playing games.
> fan extremely loud with open source drivers.

I have 2 of these fanless cards and they are fantastic
ASUS EAH4350 Silent.
I'd like to measure their power consumption?

> air warm (2 slot card) with catalyst.
> air hot with open source drivers.

Interesting. It be nice to get a temperature probe
and measure the exhaust air temp, whilst running
the same, demanding benchmark......



> to display video or a 3d game starts there is a high chance that the box might 
> lock up in the next couple of minutes.

What is a good game/prog to test 3D with on a given
ATI video card?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 17 Juli 2009, James wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:
> > 106W with catalyst.
> > 170W with open source drivers.
>
> Nice to know. Can you be verbose on how you measured these
> values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattmeter


>
> > fan quiet with catalyst (not able to hear it) in KDE and most of the time
> > playing games.
> > fan extremely loud with open source drivers.
>
> I have 2 of these fanless cards and they are fantastic
> ASUS EAH4350 Silent.

I have a 3870 - factory overclocked. Not way I can cool that one 'passive'.
And there is no need, because with catalyst the fan is inaudible most of the 
time (except menus in ut2004 or after a while of gaming. Since I wear 
headphones when I play games it doesn't matter).

>
> > to display video or a 3d game starts there is a high chance that the box
> > might lock up in the next couple of minutes.
>
> What is a good game/prog to test 3D with on a given
> ATI video card?

ut2004? vegastrike? unigine? openarena? nexuiz?

[gentoo-user] Re: Solved.Re: X/ati/amd/kde4/hal/evdev/??? problem

[James]

Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin <at> googlemail.com> writes:


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattmeter

very cool


> > What is a good game/prog to test 3D with on a given
> > ATI video card?

> ut2004? vegastrike? unigine? openarena? nexuiz?


nice to know.

as always,
thanks
for the excellent information.


I prefer AMD and ATI, as I do believe their commitment
to Open Source, is extraordinary versus their competitors,
imho.


caveat emptor


James