[gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Hazen Valliant-Saunders]

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So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit it?

-- 
Hazen Valliant-Saunders
IT/IS Consultant
(613) 355-5977

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Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Hazen
Valliant-Saunders<hazenvs@gmail.com> wrote:
> So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit it?

There is an ebuild for them in the sabayon overlay

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Matthias Krebs]

Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 20:52:38 schrieb Hazen Valliant-Saunders:
> So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit it?
well, it is in the tree 

this is from the Changelog:

*ati-drivers-9.6 (25 Jun 2009)

  25 Jun 2009; Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org>
  +files/kernel/2.6.29.patch, +files/kernel/2.6.30-enable_msi.patch,
  +files/kernel/2.6.30-irqreturn_t.patch,
  +files/kernel/2.6.30-rt_compat.patch,
  +files/kernel/2.6.30-tlb_flush.patch, +ati-drivers-9.6.ebuild:
  Add new version of ati drivers (9.6). Since now it follows the upstream
  versioning scheme. Kernels .29 and .30 are not supported, but patched to
  work somehow in this release.

[gentoo-user] Re: ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[James]

Matthias Krebs <matthias.krebs <at> gmail.com> writes:


> > So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit it?

I had to remove tons of fonts from my xorg.conf but now
have ati-drivers-9.6 and a 2.6.29-gentoo-r5 kernel working.


I use email via seamonkey and that is not working. Is that related to
fonts that disappeared?  Seamonkey is ok to surf and such, but
when I fire up email (via seamonkey) buttons stop working.....

Just upgraded late last night. Is my problem related to fonts
issue with ATI-drivers-9.6?????

Ideas?


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009, James wrote:
> Matthias Krebs <matthias.krebs <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > > So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit
> > > it?
>
> I had to remove tons of fonts from my xorg.conf but now
> have ati-drivers-9.6 and a 2.6.29-gentoo-r5 kernel working.
>
>
> I use email via seamonkey and that is not working. Is that related to
> fonts that disappeared?  Seamonkey is ok to surf and such, but
> when I fire up email (via seamonkey) buttons stop working.....
>
> Just upgraded late last night. Is my problem related to fonts
> issue with ATI-drivers-9.6?????
>
> Ideas?
>
>
> James

there are no font issues with ati-drivers.

RE: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Adam Carter]

> So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit it?

Add "x11-drivers/ati-drivers ~x86" (or ~amd64) to /etc/portage/package.keywords and you will be able to install 9.6.

It now appears to be asking for xorg-server-1.5.3-r7 (but i'm running it fine with xorg-server-1.5.3-r6, which is currently the "stable" package for ~amd64. Not sure why that wasnt picked up when i installed 9.6). FWIW i'm still on 2.6.28.

I was doing the dodgy with 9.5 and 9.6 (before the ebuild was out) and just running the ati installer. It worked.

Rgs,
Adam.

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Adam Carter wrote:
> > So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit it?
>
> Add "x11-drivers/ati-drivers ~x86" (or ~amd64) to
> /etc/portage/package.keywords and you will be able to install 9.6.
>
> It now appears to be asking for xorg-server-1.5.3-r7 (but i'm running it
> fine with xorg-server-1.5.3-r6, which is currently the "stable" package for
> ~amd64. Not sure why that wasnt picked up when i installed 9.6). FWIW i'm
> still on 2.6.28.
>
> I was doing the dodgy with 9.5 and 9.6 (before the ebuild was out) and just
> running the ati installer. It worked.
>
> Rgs,
> Adam.

and I hope you deinstalled the crap with the installer before you installed 
the ebuild or you have a lot of crap in your system that will cause problems 
later on.

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Hazen Valliant-Saunders]

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<sarchasam>
No really the ATI installer does not work!? Go figure.
</sarchasam>

It's a clean & fresh install (habbit of mine)
I had to unmask a few packages but there were no kernel patches so..

Due to the miserable failure I'll wait some more.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann <
volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Adam Carter wrote:
> > > So any news on the ATI Front or will I have to rool my own and submit
> it?
> >
> > Add "x11-drivers/ati-drivers ~x86" (or ~amd64) to
> > /etc/portage/package.keywords and you will be able to install 9.6.
> >
> > It now appears to be asking for xorg-server-1.5.3-r7 (but i'm running it
> > fine with xorg-server-1.5.3-r6, which is currently the "stable" package
> for
> > ~amd64. Not sure why that wasnt picked up when i installed 9.6). FWIW i'm
> > still on 2.6.28.
> >
> > I was doing the dodgy with 9.5 and 9.6 (before the ebuild was out) and
> just
> > running the ati installer. It worked.
> >
> > Rgs,
> > Adam.
>
> and I hope you deinstalled the crap with the installer before you installed
> the ebuild or you have a lot of crap in your system that will cause
> problems
> later on.
>
>


-- 
Hazen Valliant-Saunders
IT/IS Consultant
(613) 355-5977

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Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Hazen Valliant-Saunders wrote:
> <sarchasam>
> No really the ATI installer does not work!? Go figure.
> </sarchasam>

you really do not understand. It is not a matter of 'does it work' or not. The 
installer dumps a couple of files into the system - and on a gentoo system in 
all the wrong places. This will result in trouble later. From not compiling 
packages to not working 3d acceleration because of some stale file somewhere 
hidden in the system .

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Hazen Valliant-Saunders]

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I was reffering to the fact that ATI has a history of support issues within
Linux.

As for "Understanding" all I know is emerge ati-drivers where my keywords
file contains all the nifty means to unmask the packages & dependencies I
need still results in an unusable X. (which is why it's been revered back to
it's previous configuration).

ATI still does not support Linux properly; My pal and his Nvida card works
with 2.6.29, it just means that if I want 3D on linux I'm better off with a
diffrent vendor and a card that works vs a cheap vendor and a card that I
have to fight with.

My point is this; ATI/AMD made a commitment to make Linux work but they are
behind the ball when it comes to driver updates and releases; If the kernel
get's a revision it should take two weeks to see the driver no longer and no
less; as a consumer It's not my job to "understand" or "care" about the
details, that price that i bought that card for included the engineering
required to "make it work", that's why these cards cost so much money; the
hardware itself is cheap the engineering is expensive. Also as a consumer
it's my job to use whichever OS I want. Hell they closed my ticket without
resolving my issue.

As for Gentoo, well I'll take my successes and failures where I may as I
understand that it's a community of "Voulenteers" that work diligently to
support a whole bunch of people that tend to complain loudly and act as
though they know everything about everything.

Realistically I'll just wait another two months and then mabye it will work,
mabye it won't, in the meantime i'll leave the bleeding edge to those
massochistic enough to enjoy it. Perhaps the Kernel Crew could hold off on
releases until driver support is adaquate? The real issue there is where is
the balance do you end up like Debain and only release every so many years?

In the meantime I'll test it every once in a while and when it fails I'll
state that it fails, when it works I'll quitely use it.

As for using ATI/AMD's installer it has never worked at all; (for me anyhow)
and I remember when I tried to get my 9800 working under Slackware and
Redhat I had simlar stale file issues, then again that was a few years ago
now, and every so often I try to get my card working in Gentoo and every so
often it fails. What this has to do with Stale files and packages and
placement of bad Xorg conf files means nothing to me. I just want my card
and it's nifty 3D accelleration to be used by Folding at home, I can use it
in windows if I ran it, I can't use it in Gentoo at the momennt, and that's
the point.

"Silence is golden".

Regards,
Hazen.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann <
volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Hazen Valliant-Saunders wrote:
> > <sarchasam>
> > No really the ATI installer does not work!? Go figure.
> > </sarchasam>
>
> you really do not understand. It is not a matter of 'does it work' or not.
> The
> installer dumps a couple of files into the system - and on a gentoo system
> in
> all the wrong places. This will result in trouble later. From not compiling
> packages to not working 3d acceleration because of some stale file
> somewhere
> hidden in the system .
>
>


-- 
Hazen Valliant-Saunders
IT/IS Consultant
(613) 355-5977

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Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Well, AMD uses a fixed cycle - one release a month. They also have a fixed 
development cycle that takes roughly 3 month (all explained on phoronix a long 
time ago). So supporting the latest kernels is not easy or even possible.

They also only support a few distros. If you insist on using a non-supported 
kernel, you are on your own.

That said - Nvidia might be 'better' when it comes to binary drivers, but they 
suck when it comes to open source drivers. AMD is working on free drivers for 
all cards - that is something you have to recognize. 
My next card will be AMD again. Supporting open source friendly corporations 
is simply a good thing.

Besides - if you use the ebuild, even 2.6.30 works. Yes, dmesg is spammed with 
ugly messages. But who cares? Do you really monitor dmesg non stop?

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Fri, July 3, 2009 20:30, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Well, AMD uses a fixed cycle - one release a month. They also have a
> fixed development cycle that takes roughly 3 month (all explained on
> phoronix a long time ago). So supporting the latest kernels is not easy or
> even possible.

Very well for them, I don't know how that is relevant, since 2.6.29 was
released 23-Mar-2009 23:30. So, by now, both the 1 month and the 3 month
cycles have passed. Still no support. Or maybe my maths are not correct.

> They also only support a few distros. If you insist on using a
> non-supported kernel, you are on your own.

Crap. All the distros use the same kernel. If it compiles against a vanilla
kernel, it will compile against a vanilla kernel on *every* distro under
the sun. There can be problems with the location of the libraries, versions
of xorg and mesa and the like, that that's out of the scope of this thread,
which is basically that we will get a working driver for 2.6.30 6 months
after the kernel is released. By then we will have .35, which won't work
with fglrx either. That the distro is listed as supported or not doesn't
change the scenery if you want to use a current kernel for some reason.

> That said - Nvidia might be 'better' when it comes to binary drivers, but
> they suck when it comes to open source drivers.

Agreed. But at least, you have *one* driver that works. With my hd2600,
fglrx sucks big time, and neither radeon nor radeonhd works (unless I
disable dri, and then vesa performs better).

If I have to choose between one closed driver that works perfectly and
one close driver that works bad+2 open ones that simply don't work, I
choose the closed driver that works.

> AMD is working on free
> drivers for all cards - that is something you have to recognize.

As far as I know (I might be wrong) amd isn't working in anything. They
just released the specifications and some technical sheets. The community
is doing all the work.

> Besides - if you use the ebuild, even 2.6.30 works. Yes, dmesg is spammed
> with ugly messages. But who cares? Do you really monitor dmesg non stop?

Who cares?!? mmmm, my /var partition gets filled with +1gb logs everyday,
I have to delete the logs (yes, losing everything in them) and then
restart
the sys logger because while the files are open the space won't be freed.
The driver does that, and the rest of my programs fail. But, who cares...
The cpu usage is insane when using fglrx on .30, 60-100% on X when I play
something in mplayer, so while watching a movie I can't do anything else,
with the same fglrx version on linux 2.6.28 it takes around 10%.

Who cares? I do. The driver just doesn't work, these are not minor
annoyances, as you paint them, these are big problems. And the ebuild
should be eliminated, and the old one depending on <2.6.29 should be
restored.

I really advice to stay in .28 if you are going to use fglrx.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Fri, July 3, 2009 21:56, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Jesús Guerrero schrieb:
>
>
>> I really advice to stay in .28 if you are going to use fglrx.
>>
>
> That is exactly what the ebuild says after building with a kernel >2.6.28
>
>
> "Kernels newer then 2.6.28 are heavily patched and might result in
> runtime failitures." "Consider them as unsupported by us."
> "All bug reports are needed to be tested with 2.6.28 kernel"
>
>
> Besides your bleat here doesn't help at all.
> Nobody here on the list has any power to change the way the
> ati-developers release there drivers or which kernels are supported.
>
> If you always want to run the latest kernel a videocard from ati or
> nvidia maybe isn't the right for you.

True. But that's irrelevant to the thread, we are talking about
fglrx here.

I was merely responding to a post that, to say the least, was full
of inaccuracies (to say the least, I repeat).

Or should I just shut up and let spread misinformation just to be
decorous?

Regards.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Fri, July 3, 2009 20:30, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Well, AMD uses a fixed cycle - one release a month. They also have a
> > fixed development cycle that takes roughly 3 month (all explained on
> > phoronix a long time ago). So supporting the latest kernels is not easy
> > or even possible.
>
> Very well for them, I don't know how that is relevant, since 2.6.29 was
> released 23-Mar-2009 23:30. So, by now, both the 1 month and the 3 month
> cycles have passed. Still no support. Or maybe my maths are not correct.

no, and that is why a lot of people were pissed off that .29 wasn't supported 
either.

>
> > They also only support a few distros. If you insist on using a
> > non-supported kernel, you are on your own.
>
> Crap. All the distros use the same kernel. If it compiles against a vanilla
> kernel , it will compile against a vanilla kernel on *every* distro under
> the sun. 

incorrect.

> > That said - Nvidia might be 'better' when it comes to binary drivers, but
> > they suck when it comes to open source drivers.
>
> Agreed. But at least, you have *one* driver that works. With my hd2600,
> fglrx sucks big time, and neither radeon nor radeonhd works (unless I
> disable dri, and then vesa performs better).

*shrug* my hd3870 works well enough.

>
> If I have to choose between one closed driver that works perfectly and
> one close driver that works bad+2 open ones that simply don't work, I
> choose the closed driver that works.

go to nvnews - and you'll see that there are more than enough people where the 
driver does not work. So with amd you have 3 drivers to choose from - with 
nvidia 1.
And please - the open ones aren't that bad. When did you try them the last 
time?


>
> > AMD is working on free
> > drivers for all cards - that is something you have to recognize.
>
> As far as I know (I might be wrong) amd isn't working in anything. They
> just released the specifications and some technical sheets. The community
> is doing all the work.

very wrong.

>
> > Besides - if you use the ebuild, even 2.6.30 works. Yes, dmesg is spammed
> > with ugly messages. But who cares? Do you really monitor dmesg non stop?
>
> Who cares?!? mmmm, my /var partition gets filled with +1gb logs everyday,

hm - really? maybe you have stupid logging settings? because /var/log is 286M 
here - and I never remove any log ...


> the sys logger because while the files are open the space won't be freed.
> The driver does that, and the rest of my programs fail. But, who cares...
> The cpu usage is insane when using fglrx on .30, 60-100% on X when I play
> something in mplayer, so while watching a movie I can't do anything else,
> with the same fglrx version on linux 2.6.28 it takes around 10%.

root      3913  1.7  3.8 347992 195588 tty7    Ss+  Jul03  11:08 /usr/bin/X -
br -novtswitch -qu

1000     24706  5.4  0.3 174936 15288 pts/1    S+   03:15   0:00 mplayer 
/mnt/filme/YuGiOh! The


I suspect your system has other problems then the driver.

Like a bad setup.

>
> Who cares? I do. The driver just doesn't work, these are not minor
> annoyances, as you paint them, these are big problems. And the ebuild
> should be eliminated, and the old one depending on <2.6.29 should be
> restored.
>
> I really advice to stay in .28 if you are going to use fglrx.

and people who want to use an actual kernel punished just because YOU are too 
lazy to use package.mask?

I really advice you to rethink your position before you make anti-social 
demands.

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sat, July 4, 2009 03:17, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
>> If I have to choose between one closed driver that works perfectly and
>> one close driver that works bad+2 open ones that simply don't work, I
>> choose the closed driver that works.
>
> go to nvnews - and you'll see that there are more than enough people
> where the driver does not work. So with amd you have 3 drivers to choose
> from - with nvidia 1.

Fair enough :)

> And please - the open ones aren't that bad. When did
> you try them the last time?

Some days ago. During months for now.

I've tried every single version of the drivers, mesa, Xorg and whatever
you can think of. From older to newer to live.

They simply don't work with my card. I don't want to taint the thread so
I will just say that one of the latest thread about that is this:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5789462.html

>>> Besides - if you use the ebuild, even 2.6.30 works. Yes, dmesg is
>>> spammed with ugly messages. But who cares? Do you really monitor dmesg
>>> non stop?
>>
>> Who cares?!? mmmm, my /var partition gets filled with +1gb logs
>> everyday,
>
> hm - really? maybe you have stupid logging settings? because /var/log is
> 286M
> here - and I never remove any log ...

No. I haven't. My logs have always been perfectly sane until I've used
fglrx with .30. Besides the fact that the logs don't reach the disk if
you filter them don't fix anything about the real problem.


>> the sys logger because while the files are open the space won't be
>> freed. The driver does that, and the rest of my programs fail. But, who
>> cares... The cpu usage is insane when using fglrx on .30, 60-100% on X
>> when I play something in mplayer, so while watching a movie I can't do
>> anything else, with the same fglrx version on linux 2.6.28 it takes
>> around 10%.
>
> root      3913  1.7  3.8 347992 195588 tty7    Ss+  Jul03  11:08
> /usr/bin/X -
> br -novtswitch -qu
>
> 1000     24706  5.4  0.3 174936 15288 pts/1    S+   03:15   0:00 mplayer
> /mnt/filme/YuGiOh! The
>
>
>
> I suspect your system has other problems then the driver.
>
>
> Like a bad setup.
>

You are of course free to think that. I'm not going into that line
of discussion though. My system works perfectly ok without that fatal
combo, always did ;)

>> Who cares? I do. The driver just doesn't work, these are not minor
>> annoyances, as you paint them, these are big problems. And the ebuild
>> should be eliminated, and the old one depending on <2.6.29 should be
>> restored.
>>
>> I really advice to stay in .28 if you are going to use fglrx.
>>
>
> and people who want to use an actual kernel punished just because YOU are
> too lazy to use package.mask?

And people who find these problems punished because a buggy driver has been
forced into your system by emerge. Sir, the problem with logs is not mine,
I've seen other persons having it. The amount of spam just depends on the
use you do of the graphics card. If you use 3d intensive apps you will see
how the spam grows, exponentially. At least for me it's that way.

Maybe you should relax instead presupposing that all the bad things about
fglrx+.30 are my fault. Just because it works for you it doesn't mean that
.30+fglrx is a stable combo. Or... maybe everyone having problems is just
idiot.

> I really advice you to rethink your position before you make anti-social
> demands.

Thanks for your concern.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Hazen Valliant-Saunders]

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Gentelmen,

there's no need for a flame war;

for some it's stable for others it's not, hence the reason it's still in
development.

Regards,
Hazen.

2009/7/3 Jesús Guerrero <i92guboj@terra.es>

>
> On Sat, July 4, 2009 03:17, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Freitag 03 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> >
> >> If I have to choose between one closed driver that works perfectly and
> >> one close driver that works bad+2 open ones that simply don't work, I
> >> choose the closed driver that works.
> >
> > go to nvnews - and you'll see that there are more than enough people
> > where the driver does not work. So with amd you have 3 drivers to choose
> > from - with nvidia 1.
>
> Fair enough :)
>
> > And please - the open ones aren't that bad. When did
> > you try them the last time?
>
> Some days ago. During months for now.
>
> I've tried every single version of the drivers, mesa, Xorg and whatever
> you can think of. From older to newer to live.
>
> They simply don't work with my card. I don't want to taint the thread so
> I will just say that one of the latest thread about that is this:
>
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5789462.html
>
> >>> Besides - if you use the ebuild, even 2.6.30 works. Yes, dmesg is
> >>> spammed with ugly messages. But who cares? Do you really monitor dmesg
> >>> non stop?
> >>
> >> Who cares?!? mmmm, my /var partition gets filled with +1gb logs
> >> everyday,
> >
> > hm - really? maybe you have stupid logging settings? because /var/log is
> > 286M
> > here - and I never remove any log ...
>
> No. I haven't. My logs have always been perfectly sane until I've used
> fglrx with .30. Besides the fact that the logs don't reach the disk if
> you filter them don't fix anything about the real problem.
>
>
> >> the sys logger because while the files are open the space won't be
> >> freed. The driver does that, and the rest of my programs fail. But, who
> >> cares... The cpu usage is insane when using fglrx on .30, 60-100% on X
> >> when I play something in mplayer, so while watching a movie I can't do
> >> anything else, with the same fglrx version on linux 2.6.28 it takes
> >> around 10%.
> >
> > root      3913  1.7  3.8 347992 195588 tty7    Ss+  Jul03  11:08
> > /usr/bin/X -
> > br -novtswitch -qu
> >
> > 1000     24706  5.4  0.3 174936 15288 pts/1    S+   03:15   0:00 mplayer
> > /mnt/filme/YuGiOh! The
> >
> >
> >
> > I suspect your system has other problems then the driver.
> >
> >
> > Like a bad setup.
> >
>
> You are of course free to think that. I'm not going into that line
> of discussion though. My system works perfectly ok without that fatal
> combo, always did ;)
>
> >> Who cares? I do. The driver just doesn't work, these are not minor
> >> annoyances, as you paint them, these are big problems. And the ebuild
> >> should be eliminated, and the old one depending on <2.6.29 should be
> >> restored.
> >>
> >> I really advice to stay in .28 if you are going to use fglrx.
> >>
> >
> > and people who want to use an actual kernel punished just because YOU are
> > too lazy to use package.mask?
>
> And people who find these problems punished because a buggy driver has been
> forced into your system by emerge. Sir, the problem with logs is not mine,
> I've seen other persons having it. The amount of spam just depends on the
> use you do of the graphics card. If you use 3d intensive apps you will see
> how the spam grows, exponentially. At least for me it's that way.
>
> Maybe you should relax instead presupposing that all the bad things about
> fglrx+.30 are my fault. Just because it works for you it doesn't mean that
> .30+fglrx is a stable combo. Or... maybe everyone having problems is just
> idiot.
>
> > I really advice you to rethink your position before you make anti-social
> > demands.
>
> Thanks for your concern.
>
> --
> Jesús Guerrero
>
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:

>
> > And please - the open ones aren't that bad. When did
> > you try them the last time?
>
> Some days ago. During months for now.

me too - with 2.6.30 and everything. 2d was very good, better than vesa. 3d 
does not work - of course. The only reason I do not use them:
no powermanagment. My card becomes hot and loud.

>
> >> Who cares?!? mmmm, my /var partition gets filled with +1gb logs
> >> everyday,
> >
> > hm - really? maybe you have stupid logging settings? because /var/log is
> > 286M
> > here - and I never remove any log ...
>
> No. I haven't. My logs have always been perfectly sane until I've used
> fglrx with .30. Besides the fact that the logs don't reach the disk if
> you filter them don't fix anything about the real problem.

I don't filter anything. Just default metalog with default settings.

>
>
> >> Who cares? I do. The driver just doesn't work, these are not minor
> >> annoyances, as you paint them, these are big problems. And the ebuild
> >> should be eliminated, and the old one depending on <2.6.29 should be
> >> restored.
> >>
> >> I really advice to stay in .28 if you are going to use fglrx.
> >
> > and people who want to use an actual kernel punished just because YOU are
> > too lazy to use package.mask?
>
> And people who find these problems punished because a buggy driver has been
> forced into your system by emerge. Sir, the problem with logs is not mine,
> I've seen other persons having it. The amount of spam just depends on the
> use you do of the graphics card. If you use 3d intensive apps you will see
> how the spam grows, exponentially. At least for me it's that way.

I know how the logs are filled up with 3d apps - but it is not as bad on THIS 
system. So what might be the reason?

Every error line are ca 200byte.  To reach even a megabyte you need a lot of 
them...
for some reason, even the worst kernel log file did only grow to 662k on this 
system.

And why should I and other who really don't have problems with the driver be 
punished because some others do?

Last time I checked (3minutes ago) they were still marked unstable. So they 
are not forced upon you. It is your choice to use 2.6.29 or .30. And it is 
your choice to use that driver.


>
> Maybe you should relax instead presupposing that all the bad things about
> fglrx+.30 are my fault. Just because it works for you it doesn't mean that
> .30+fglrx is a stable combo. Or... maybe everyone having problems is just
> idiot.
>
> > I really advice you to rethink your position before you make anti-social
> > demands.
>
> Thanks for your concern.

sorry about that last line.

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sat, July 4, 2009 03:58, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 04 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
>
> I don't filter anything. Just default metalog with default settings.

I use sysklogd, that shouldn't matter much though. The config is pretty
standard, and certainly there's nothing related to fglrx in there. The
logs on a normal day are, at most, a few kb's (without fglrx+.30).

With that combo into scene, kern.log and syslog grow around 500mb each
filling the whole var. I need to delete these two files and restart
sysklogd to get some free space in /var (just in case someone around
has a similar problem). A quick hack on the printk code in the kernel
can be used though to solve all this spam. But the cpu usage doesn't
get any better.

I know not the reason why, but the truth is that xv wastes lots more
of cpu to play video when I have fglrx+.30, with or without the logs,
with or without patching the kernel. I really, really doubt that the
configuration of my system has anything to do with this, unless it has
to do something with some kernel setting.

> I know how the logs are filled up with 3d apps - but it is not as bad on
> THIS
> system. So what might be the reason?

No idea. But it's all fglrx spam, that's for sure. Why does it generate
more in my system? Well, I blame the hardware, since it's a driver who
creates all the spam, there are really few things that I could
"missconfigure", besides my kernel, that would affect it. I don't use
any essoteric stuff in xorg.conf, and I do not even use a compositing wm.

> sorry about that last line.

No harm done. Heat raises easily sometimes. I apologize for anything I've
done wrong as well.

Regards.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Sat, July 4, 2009 03:58, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 04 Juli 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't filter anything. Just default metalog with default settings.
>
> I use sysklogd, that shouldn't matter much though. The config is pretty
> standard, and certainly there's nothing related to fglrx in there. The
> logs on a normal day are, at most, a few kb's (without fglrx+.30).
>
> With that combo into scene, kern.log and syslog grow around 500mb each
> filling the whole var. I need to delete these two files and restart
> sysklogd to get some free space in /var (just in case someone around
> has a similar problem). A quick hack on the printk code in the kernel
> can be used though to solve all this spam. But the cpu usage doesn't
> get any better.
>
> I know not the reason why, but the truth is that xv wastes lots more
> of cpu to play video when I have fglrx+.30, with or without the logs,

not here  - btw, try gl. The difference of the colours will be... 
interessting.

Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Willie Wong]

On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:22:59AM +0200, Penguin Lover Jes?s Guerrero squawked:
> 
> On Sat, July 4, 2009 03:58, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 04 Juli 2009, Jes?s Guerrero wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't filter anything. Just default metalog with default settings.
> 
> I use sysklogd, that shouldn't matter much though. 

It may matter quite a bit, actually. I use metalog on my
server/desktop and syslog-ng on my laptop. metalog, by default,
rotates logs fairly aggressively. It the log file hits 1MB (by the
gentoo default setting) it gets rotated with a new datestamp. 

This computer has been running gentoo for close to 7 years now and I've 
never once need to clearn out log files processed by metalog (I do have 
to clean out elogs and apache logs [when I had a web server running] 
every once in a while). 

The one time I ran into kernel trouble on my laptop, however, boy, was
I glad I had /var on a separate partition. 

W


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Re: [gentoo-user] ATI-Driver 9.6 support?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sat, July 4, 2009 22:54, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:22:59AM +0200, Penguin Lover Jes?s Guerrero
> squawked:
>
>>
>> On Sat, July 4, 2009 03:58, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
>>> On Samstag 04 Juli 2009, Jes?s Guerrero wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't filter anything. Just default metalog with default settings.
>>>
>>
>> I use sysklogd, that shouldn't matter much though.
>>
>
> It may matter quite a bit,

It depends on the criteria for "matter".

It doesn't matter to me whichever logger you use because it's the kernel
who sends the messages and all that stuff. Obviously, the log spam that
you get is not as aggressive as mine. However that's the lesser problem
compared to the cpu waste. I think that it's just faulty hardware, my
ati card must be really the worse ati in the world or something.



> This computer has been running gentoo for close to 7 years now and I've
> never once need to clearn out log files processed by metalog (I do have to
> clean out elogs and apache logs [when I had a web server running] every
> once in a while).

I've never cleaned the logs in this install, which is like 4 years old by
now. And they are like 40 mbs or so, compressed of course. However,
fglrx+.30 managed to fill the partition in a few hours. That's why I
reverted to .28.

-- 
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