From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LzCGr-0001nQ-I1 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:04:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14BA5E0355; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7005E0355 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5758D64E14 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.945 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.945 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.654, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ikgDvoj9tCtL for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FDC652F7 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LzCG8-0000pt-PY for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:45 +0000 Received: from www.buffer.net ([24.73.161.102]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:44 +0000 Received: from wireless by www.buffer.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:44 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: James Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT]UPS battery dead? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <864193.87322.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 24.73.161.102 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090428 SeaMonkey/1.1.16) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 39e86ac1-e68f-4d5b-ae9f-5f6eea3a088b X-Archives-Hash: a952cabcf47b8b2d159e9d33b25b8112 maxim wexler yahoo.com> writes: group, > Only 2.8mins left? The UPS unit, fairly common I suspect, is a Back-UPS ES 350 and less than a year old. It only > saw service once last year during an electric storm when the house power failed for a few minutes. Why isn't > it charging. Or is it? 13.4 volts looks good on a 12V battery. I'm not sure I'd trust all the numbers. One easy thing to do is to, just swap in another (hopfully 7AH) standard 12V battery), give it a few days, and see what the numbers say. If you have lots of UPS's then getting a low cost 12V batter tester for 'Jell-Cell' batteries is not a bad idea. If you see signs of corrosion, toss the battery to the nearest recycle agency near you. It says BATTDATE 2000-00-00. Huh? Ignore. This looks like a default firmware value if not is correctly entered during manufacture or by the person that does maintenance. Some firewares include it, but the manufacture does not have a software application, where the info can be updated. Gel-Cell batteries are not smart (i.e. no microp) so there is no way for the battery to provide this info, to the UPS firmware. It's gimmickery. > I'd like to test it further but the apcupsd manual recommends at least 5mins time left. I'd use manual testing techniques with the battery removed from the ups. You could have leaky or degraded circuitry in the ups. I canabalize old ups for good circuits and batteries and such. If you have several similar models you can do the same. Best to buy UPS in qty 2 or more to cannabalize parts. Never by a ups that does not use the standard 7AH or multiples of that standard battery. The further away from those batteries you get, the more you'll get 'ripped' at replacement time. One more thing. The smaller UPSs are of poor quality. I usually never bay an ups with less than 1KVA rating, although 800VA seem to be OK. The smaller ones just dye as the electronic swithcing circuits (how AC is made from DC) are just crappy and often fry or fatigue. Try not to run a UPS at more than 40% of the duty cycle, if you want it to last very long. Hooking up any arrangement of AC lighting will allow you to see how the battery performs over test intervals of 5,10,20,30 minutes. An amp meter, the kind that clamps around the power cord will give you the current draw of the load. From those numbers and the measured voltage across the battery, you can plot performance curves. After you do a few batteries, you can just watch the lights and pretty much tell if a battery is cooked. Battery testers are also cool, and convenient. If you are in the US, here is a great supplier for replacement batteries. They have an 8AH replacement of the standard 7AH battery (same form factor) that is usually less expensive, better quality and will give you a 1/7 longer life, nominally, Battery Wholesale Dist. 40120 Industrial Park Circle Georgetown, TX 78626 800 365 8444 not sure the website... hth, James