[gentoo-user] 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[gentoo-user] 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Hello,

I have an old AMD-K6 200MHz system with 196 M of ram that I'd like
to make it into a DNS primary server. I've tried the x86 livedCD 2006.1
to install, but after trying to load the image, it just reboots.
I ran memtests for a very long period of time and the ram looks fine.
Indeed Knoppix 5.0 boots very slowly, but just fine and runs a full
gnome interface, slowly but correctly, so I know the Ram/cpu is fine.

What's the best install CD to use to get this k6-200MHz machine installed?
 It will not be running X so maybe an older minimal CD is more friendly to old 
amd K6? maybe the x86 2006.1 liveCD is not the best choice?

Suggestions are most welcome.


James



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[gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen <at> zlin.dk> writes:



> > The livecd is only for arch >= i686 (AMD-K6 isn't fully i686) so,
> > minimal-x86 + stage3-x86 is the way to go here.

OK, this was going to be my next attempt....
Confusing, because I have a Pentium Pro 200MHz that is
i686 (CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu")
with this info from /proc/cpuinfo:
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov

> Does this mean he can't use glibc-2.4? Or what should he do with CHOST 
> (stage3-x86 sets it to i386...)?

Hmmm. Good point.
The Pentium Pro mentioned above is stopped during the upgrade of 
glibc 2.4. It told me to add "nptl nptlonly" to the USE flags.
I did and issued 'emerge --resume". Hopefully this one makes it to
glibc-2.4  and gcc-4.1 ?

So what should I set as the CHOST for an amd-K6 arch machine?
Any other K6 settings I should select during the 2006.1 minimal CD
installation?

Anything any different in the make.conf file? ( O2, pipe, etc etc?)


A deeper question is should I plan on migrating my older machines
Pentium pro and amd k6 to another linux/bsd distro or will Gentoo
maintain a solution for these older arch's? Maybee Gentoo embedded
is the way to go with older arch's?


James







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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Donnerstag, 7. September 2006 11:41 schrieb ext James:

> So what should I set as the CHOST for an amd-K6 arch machine?

I've set it to i586...

> Any other K6 settings I should select during the 2006.1 minimal CD
> installation?
>
> Anything any different in the make.conf file? ( O2, pipe, etc etc?)

Have to lookup at home. I can post my make.conf tomorrow.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Thursday 07 September 2006 11:55, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > So what should I set as the CHOST for an amd-K6 arch machine?
>
> I've set it to i586...

Just realised that there is a stage3-i586-...tar.bz2. For new installs on amd 
K6 I assume that would be more appropriate than stage3-x86... For existing 
installs I assume that the same procedure applies for changing CHOST to i586 
as for changing to i686 as discussed in order threads on this list... Maybe 
someone will elaborate on that.

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[gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen <at> zlin.dk> writes:


> > > So what should I set as the CHOST for an amd-K6 arch machine?

> > I've set it to i586...

> Just realised that there is a stage3-i586-...tar.bz2. For new installs on amd 
> K6 I assume that would be more appropriate than stage3-x86... For existing 
> installs I assume that the same procedure applies for changing CHOST to i586 
> as for changing to i686 as discussed in order threads on this list... Maybe 
> someone will elaborate on that.


Hello Bo,

At the risk of sounding redundant (maybe simple minded)

Which 2006.1 iso or bz2 file do I use?
I already tried this and it hung:
install-x86-minimal-2006.1.iso

So are you suggesing I try this file:
stage1-x86-2006.1.tar.bz2  
or
stage3-x86-uclibc-2005.0.tar.bz2  <embedded>
or
stage3-x86-selinux-20050726.tar.bz2 <x86-hardened>

google turns up empty looking for:
stage3-i586-2006.1.tar.bz2


???


James




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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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> Which 2006.1 iso or bz2 file do I use?
> I already tried this and it hung:
> install-x86-minimal-2006.1.iso

Consider filing a bug if noone did before.

> google turns up empty looking for:
> stage3-i586-2006.1.tar.bz2

Yeah, sorry I was looking at 2006.0.

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[gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Dirk Heinrichs <ext-dirk.heinrichs <at> nokia.com> writes:


> > Any other K6 settings I should select during the 2006.1 minimal CD
> > installation?

> > Anything any different in the make.conf file? ( O2, pipe, etc etc?)

> Have to lookup at home. I can post my make.conf tomorrow.



Hello Dirk,

That'd be great. I tried with both the gentoo and the 'gentoo-nofb'
kernels, but, it hung at the identical, aforementioned, sequence...

Your entire make.conf file on the amd k6 would be useful,
as well as the version/status of make.profile, glibc can gcc recent upgrades
and any issue you have found, would also be of interest to me.


tia,

James




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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Donnerstag, 7. September 2006 13:53 schrieb ext James:

> That'd be great. I tried with both the gentoo and the 'gentoo-nofb'
> kernels, but, it hung at the identical, aforementioned, sequence...

If I remember right, I used the 2006.0 minimal CD. And, I always start from 
stage1.

> Your entire make.conf file on the amd k6 would be useful,
> as well as the version/status of make.profile, glibc can gcc recent
> upgrades and any issue you have found, would also be of interest to me.

My make.conf is attached (note that I'm running "~x86"). Profile is 2006.1, 
gcc is 4.1.1, glibc 2.4, kernel 2.6.17.11 (vanilla). No issues so far, 
currently compiling KDE :-)

Bye...

	Dirk
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# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example

# Compiler options for K6-2
CFLAGS="-O3 -march=k6-2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
CHOST="i586-pc-linux-gnu"
# I'm running "testing"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"
# For german translations
LINGUAS=de
# These are for X and friends
INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse"
VIDEO_CARDS="mga"
# Some portage customizations. Note: These are all logical volumes.
PORTDIR=/gentoo/portage
DISTDIR=/gentoo/distfiles
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/gentoo/build

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[gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Rumen Yotov <rumen <at> qrypto.org> writes:


> > I have an old AMD-K6 200MHz system with 196 M of ram that I'd like
> > to make it into a DNS primary server. I've tried the x86 livedCD
> > 2006.1 to install, but after trying to load the image, it just
> > reboots. I ran memtests for a very long period of time and the ram
> > looks fine. Indeed Knoppix 5.0 boots very slowly, but just fine and
> > runs a full gnome interface, slowly but correctly, so I know the
> > Ram/cpu is fine.


> There are only two classical install media CDs - livecd-i686-2006.1
> IIRC and minimal-x86-2006.1.
> The livecd is only for arch >= i686 (AMD-K6 isn't fully i686) so,
> minimal-x86 + stage3-x86 is the way to go here.

Hello Rumen,

Well, I used 'install-x86-minimal-2006.1.iso' and it ran for a while
before hanging. Here are the last few steps after the keymap was
selected by default:
Mounting squashfs filesystem
Copying read-write image contents to tmpfs
No cdupdate.sh script found, skipping...
Booting (initramfs)...

<< hung >>

either the arch is incompatible or it does not like the ram (192 MB)...?


thoughts and ideas?

James



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Re: [gentoo-user] 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Mark Shields]

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On 9/6/06, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> What's the best install CD to use to get this k6-200MHz machine installed?
> It will not be running X so maybe an older minimal CD is more friendly to
> old
> amd K6? maybe the x86 2006.1 liveCD is not the best choice?
>
> Suggestions are most welcome.
>
>
> James



I have something that may be of help.  I did a similar install on a K6-2
500mhz  machine and the 2006.x  livecds would not work, it would hang at the
same point.  Fortunately I had some older Gentoo install discs and looked
through them until I found one that worked:  2004.1 r3 I think.  I'll have
to look when I get home.  I did some quick searches and couldn't find any
ISOs for that disc, so I can make an ISO from the disc (I think it's a
minimal install cd) and get it to you somehow.


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Re: [gentoo-user] 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Mark Shields]

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On 9/8/06, Mark Shields <laebshade@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I did some quick searches and couldn't find any ISOs for that disc, so I
> can make an ISO from the disc (I think it's a minimal install cd) and get it
> to you somehow.
>
>
I didn't look hard enough:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=install-x86-minimal-2004.1.iso&btnG=Google+Search
I bet the 2004.1 install disc, which google returns some mirrors for, will
work.  First result should give you what you need.  Hope it helps.

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[gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Mark Shields <laebshade <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I did some quick searches and couldn't find any ISOs for that disc, 
so I can
make an ISO from the disc (I think it's a minimal install cd) and get 
it to you
somehow.
-em


Yes, I think this is the best solution. That way it'll have profile 
2006.1
gcc4.1+ and libc2.4+. There are surely going to be folks that want to 
install
old machines for firewalls, dns servers and such where hopefully the 
gentoo-devs
will not abandon the older hardware? If they do, we'll have to migrate to 
gentoo-embedded (ulibc) or to another distro.  If you can put up a bz2 file
containing the iso, let me know and I'll download it and give it a shot.....




> I didn't look hard enough: 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=
install-x86-minimal-2004.1.iso&btnG=Google+Search
> I bet the 2004.1 install disc, which google returns some mirrors 
for, will
work.  First result should give you what you need.  Hope it 
helps.-- - Mark Shields

I do not think this will have the 2006.1 profile, gcc 4.1+ 
gloibc2.4+ etc etc

?????

James



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[gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[James]

Rumen Yotov <rumen <at> qrypto.org> writes:


> > > I did some quick searches and couldn't find any ISOs for that disc,

> Hi James,
> Did you tried passing some ON/OFF options when booting with
> install-minimal-2006.1 (i mean "gentoo acpi=off doscsi etc.)
> HTH.Rumen

Hi Rumen,

I used gentoo-nofb for the kernel option but no other
(removal) options.

OK, I'll  give it a whirl, using x86-minimal-2006.1.iso

OK, looking at:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2006.1/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=2

Do have you any specific suggestions?

acpi=off
noload= ?????????

noX

?????

James



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006.1 install on AMD k-6 ?

[Rumen Yotov]

On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 16:18 +0000, James wrote:
> Rumen Yotov <rumen <at> qrypto.org> writes:
> 
> 
> > > > I did some quick searches and couldn't find any ISOs for that disc,
> 
> > Hi James,
> > Did you tried passing some ON/OFF options when booting with
> > install-minimal-2006.1 (i mean "gentoo acpi=off doscsi etc.)
> > HTH.Rumen
> 
> Hi Rumen,
> 
> I used gentoo-nofb for the kernel option but no other
> (removal) options.
> 
> OK, I'll  give it a whirl, using x86-minimal-2006.1.iso
> 
> OK, looking at:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2006.1/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=2
> 
> Do have you any specific suggestions?
> 
> acpi=off
> noload= ?????????
> 
> noX
> 
> ?????
> 
> James
Hi James,
Quite no experience (no need) with kernel-boot options, but just some
suggestions:
acpi=off
doapm (requires acpi=off) - IMHO optional
hda=stroke (older BIOS hard-disk handling)
ide=nodma (just to be safe when installing)
noapic (caused problems on older HW)
nodetect (skip any errors while detecting HW) - have to know all your HW
check other noXXXX options, which only disable selected features
nolapic
scandelay
scandelay=X (X seconds)
All the options are in install disk root's dir in README.txt
HTH.Rumen

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