From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B751381F3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DBC2E0AF3; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AE48E0A96 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9759633EAAF for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:32:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.563, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.544, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bj2RO9FrrV8O for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C398A33EA89 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V4bBm-00035O-Ag for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:31:58 +0200 Received: from dsl.comtrol.com ([64.122.56.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:31:58 +0200 Received: from grant.b.edwards by dsl.comtrol.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:31:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <51F8F63E.9020705@libertytrek.org> <20130731132227.5e582ee7@digimed.co.uk> <51F9034E.7040204@libertytrek.org> <51F92CC0.2060504@libertytrek.org> <51F9480E.3080406@gmail.com> <20130731182115.GI1010@server> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: a6da7b76-f931-4872-ae63-6056984bd4e8 X-Archives-Hash: 1629f7a0393bd63206a4e016a30af261 On 2013-07-31, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Pel?ez Vald?s wrote: >>> >>> Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly >>> some of the statements made here about systemd - that there will be >>> files installed to /etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything. >> >> If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except >> functions.sh) don't actually do nothing. If you use OpenRC, all the >> files installed in /urs/lib/systemd/system don't actually do nothing. >> >> Whichever you use (OpenRC or systemd), you will have files in both >> locations (actually, a bunch of them), and therefore one of those >> locations will have files that don't actually do nothing. >> >> Unless you use INSTALL_MASK, which is of course what this is all about. > In English "don't actually do nothing" means "do something"; i.e. "don't > actually do anything" != "don't actually do nothing". In standard, formal English, that's correct. However, in some English dialects, a double-negatve does not equate to a positive. A double negative is simply a stronger negative. For example, "don't do nothing" is a stronger, more emphatic version of "don't do anything". Languages like that have "negative concord". Old and Middle English were that way, and some modern dialects of English are that way. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Either CONFESS now or at we go to "PEOPLE'S COURT"!! gmail.com