From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-144336-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E8B13839B for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAA2821C063; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 361BC21C02A for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750A233DA79 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-2.479, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDRFBr6_wRxy for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 050A333DA6C for <gentoo-user@gentoo.org>; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lnx-gentoo-user@m.gmane.org>) id 1Tswxg-0001Mv-PH for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:00 +0100 Received: from dsl.comtrol.com ([64.122.56.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <gentoo-user@gentoo.org>; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:00 +0100 Received: from grant.b.edwards by dsl.comtrol.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <gentoo-user@gentoo.org>; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <kck001$9pc$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <50EB2BF7.4040109@binarywings.net> <20130108012016.2f02c68c@khamul.example.com> <50EBCA77.8030603@binarywings.net> <20130108095510.04f84040@khamul.example.com> <50EC4660.5090208@binarywings.net> <CAA2qdGUn8pf4WKsKugFeY20aXrciyQiwpigGVs+5xkjW4hbBsQ@mail.gmail.com> <kchtg5$dku$1@ger.gmane.org> <20130108234504.08c19c9c@khamul.example.com> <kci5pj$rt5$1@ger.gmane.org> <20130109013726.4016dda2@khamul.example.com> <kcilna$du$1@ger.gmane.org> <20130109103151.428615f7@khamul.example.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: ff2a5aad-8ea5-42b7-828d-e840c5a8e76c X-Archives-Hash: d7f933b016659cea116645feec3820a6 On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 +0000 (UTC) > The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrupt silently for a > long time. And I'm saying I've never seen that happen. So you're saying that the data on a medium can corrupt without being detected by the block encodings and CRCs used by the disk controller? > At some point it may deteriorate to where it passes a cusp > and then you will get your first visible sign No, the first visible sign in the scenario you're describing would be a read returning erroneous data. > - read failure. You did not see anything that happened prior as it > was silent. If a read successfully returns correct data, how is it "silent"? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Someone in DAYTON, at Ohio is selling USED gmail.com CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN