From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C317D1381F3 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB2C921C02F; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8395F21C009 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C733DC9C for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:55:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.032, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.024, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GQsQEe-6nbKp for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E80C433DC92 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tk3SN-0004tI-Ek for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 02:55:55 +0100 Received: from c-24-118-110-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([24.118.110.103]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 02:55:55 +0100 Received: from grant.b.edwards by c-24-118-110-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 02:55:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20121214161821.GA19095@crowfix.com> <20121214181646.GL8486@server> <20121214182410.GD19095@crowfix.com> <20121214183449.GM8486@server> <20121214184301.GE19095@crowfix.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-118-110-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: 74108475-68d8-439e-831b-94057756d8d5 X-Archives-Hash: 3c3d0ca1c6014a9e26707c2c373529a6 On 2012-12-14, felix@crowfix.com wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:34:49PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > >> Boot with SystemRescueCd and you can't get to a prompt? > > Currently can't even boot -- it hangs wit a blank screen at the point > grub or the rescue DVD would take over. > >> Yes, your southbridge chipset could just happened to have failed at >> the same time; or it failed on the reboot; or USB and SATA are both >> on the southbridge that failed so you lost both, basically. > > Then my natural naive question is, can this be readily replaced, or > is it soldered in and/or obsolete? It is about 8 years old. 1) You probably can't get a replacement part. Parts like that have a production lifetime of about 6 months. You _might_ be able to find one on the secondary market -- if you're prepared to buy them by the tray-full. If you find them, they'll either be dirt cheap or ridiculously expensive. 2) If you had a replacement part, it's probably a BGA part, and you have to have special equipment (and/or a _lot_ of luck with a heat-gun) to get the old part off and the new part on without destroying the board or surrounding parts. Your best bet would be to take it to a board house that does prototype builds and have them replace it. But, unless you're a regular customer, they're going to charge you so much for the job that you could probably buy a half-dozen replacement motherboards along with CPUs and RAM to go with them [if there's no hope of real business, they'll probably just say 'no' unless they're bored and feel like doing you a favor]. The only practical thing to do is replace the motherboard. You might be able to find an old one on eBay that will accept the same CPU and RAM, but 8 years is a _long_ time... -- Grant