From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S95dU-00012w-CJ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:14:20 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 988CBE077F; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF6EE077F for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BFC1B4007 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:13:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.229, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TFT5gUQdwvko for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 298371B4003 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S95c1-0005rf-QJ for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:49 +0100 Received: from athedsl-345247.home.otenet.gr ([85.72.204.61]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:49 +0100 Received: from realnc by athedsl-345247.home.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Nikos Chantziaras Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:12:30 +0200 Organization: Lucas Barks Message-ID: References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: athedsl-345247.home.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120316 Thunderbird/11.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9cfb2613-1d5a-4814-bc68-76cf2bd1611b X-Archives-Hash: 2c5c33ce740271e001f81d2366f45e45 On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras w= rote: >> On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Nikos. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> >>>>> Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. >>> >>> >>>> No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init syst= em I >>>> ever saw. >>> >>> >>> What's so good about it? What will it do for me? >>> >>> I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more complica= ted >>> than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more complica= ted >>> than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr. >>> >>> Why do you find it so good? >> >> >> No idea. I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad abou= t >> systemd :-) I really don't know I should care whether my system runs = OpenRC >> or systemd. > > Take this with a grain (or a kilo) of salt, since I'm obviously > biased, but IMHO this are systemd advantages over OpenRC: > >[...] > * It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that > this is a bad thing): Using systemd, the same > configurations/techniques work the same in every distribution. No more > need to learn /etc/conf.d, /etc/sysconfig, /etc/default hacks by > different distros. Out of the things you listed, this strikes me as the most important.=20 Linux really needs standards. When I install software on Windows, it=20 knows how to add its startup services. On Linux, this is all manual=20 work if your distro isn't supported, especially on Gentoo. If there's=20 no ebuild for it, you spend your whole day trying to make it work.