[gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[walt]

Well, at least on ~x86 and ~amd64 gnome3 is the default now.  I have
mixed feelings about gnome3, so I let gentoo install it on a VirtualBox
VM to start with and I'll think about updating my real machines later.

The new gnome-shell is the controversial piece of gnome3 and (so far)
I find it counterproductive.

I googled how to disable the gnome-shell and get my gnome-panel back,
along with the panel applets that I refuse to give up.  (The gnome-
shell replaces the gnome-panel, so there is nowhere to run the old
applets.)

If you want to disable gnome-shell you can do it with the System Info
function in System Settings.  Click the Graphics icon and enable the
gnome-fallback setting to disable gnome-shell.  Ah, much better :)

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Vishnupradeep]

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Is that true, Gnome 3 available for gentoo. can i emerge it ?

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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:37 AM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, at least on ~x86 and ~amd64 gnome3 is the default now.  I have
> mixed feelings about gnome3, so I let gentoo install it on a VirtualBox
> VM to start with and I'll think about updating my real machines later.
>
> The new gnome-shell is the controversial piece of gnome3 and (so far)
> I find it counterproductive.
>
> I googled how to disable the gnome-shell and get my gnome-panel back,
> along with the panel applets that I refuse to give up.  (The gnome-
> shell replaces the gnome-panel, so there is nowhere to run the old
> applets.)
>
> If you want to disable gnome-shell you can do it with the System Info
> function in System Settings.  Click the Graphics icon and enable the
> gnome-fallback setting to disable gnome-shell.  Ah, much better :)
>
>
>
>

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[gentoo-user] Re: gnome 3 has landed

[Remy Blank]

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Vishnupradeep wrote:
> Is that true, Gnome 3 available for gentoo. can i emerge it ?

You know, you don't need to ask us for permission ;)

-- Remy


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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[covici]

Vishnupradeep <intermedia.vishnu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is that true, Gnome 3 available for gentoo. can i emerge it ?
> 
> ----
> Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/
> My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:37 AM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, at least on ~x86 and ~amd64 gnome3 is the default now.  I have
> > mixed feelings about gnome3, so I let gentoo install it on a VirtualBox
> > VM to start with and I'll think about updating my real machines later.
> >
> > The new gnome-shell is the controversial piece of gnome3 and (so far)
> > I find it counterproductive.
> >
> > I googled how to disable the gnome-shell and get my gnome-panel back,
> > along with the panel applets that I refuse to give up.  (The gnome-
> > shell replaces the gnome-panel, so there is nowhere to run the old
> > applets.)
> >
> > If you want to disable gnome-shell you can do it with the System Info
> > function in System Settings.  Click the Graphics icon and enable the
> > gnome-fallback setting to disable gnome-shell.  Ah, much better :)
> >

What do I have to mask to prevent this for the time being?

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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 2011-11-26 21:07, schrieb walt:

> The new gnome-shell is the controversial piece of gnome3 and (so far)
> I find it counterproductive.
> 
> I googled how to disable the gnome-shell and get my gnome-panel back,
> along with the panel applets that I refuse to give up.  (The gnome-
> shell replaces the gnome-panel, so there is nowhere to run the old
> applets.)
> 
> If you want to disable gnome-shell you can do it with the System Info
> function in System Settings.  Click the Graphics icon and enable the
> gnome-fallback setting to disable gnome-shell.  Ah, much better :)

Let me get this straight: if I want to somehow stay in the world of
gnome-2.32 (panels, desktop, etc) I could simply avoid masking any of
the new stuff and use the mentioned gnome-fallback-setting?

I also hesitate to leave my comfort zone ...  ;-) (and I am on ~amd64 as
well).

Thanks, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 2011-11-26 22:56, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

> Let me get this straight: if I want to somehow stay in the world of
> gnome-2.32 (panels, desktop, etc) I could simply avoid masking any of
> the new stuff and use the mentioned gnome-fallback-setting?
> 
> I also hesitate to leave my comfort zone ...  ;-) (and I am on ~amd64 as
> well).

I think I will keep on masking ...

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html for example
tells me there are no applets, no desktop-behavior that I am used to.

Right now I use some package.mask-list from a posting in the
gentoo-forums .... I'd be happy if the maintainers would provide us with
a way to easily chose to stay w/ <gnome-3 somehow (without maintaining a
long list of packages to mask).

Stefan

[gentoo-user] Re: gnome 3 has landed

[walt]

On 11/26/2011 02:11 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 2011-11-26 22:56, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>
>> Let me get this straight: if I want to somehow stay in the world of
>> gnome-2.32 (panels, desktop, etc) I could simply avoid masking any of
>> the new stuff and use the mentioned gnome-fallback-setting?
>>
>> I also hesitate to leave my comfort zone ...  ;-) (and I am on ~amd64 as
>> well).
>
> I think I will keep on masking ...
>
> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html for example
> tells me there are no applets, no desktop-behavior that I am used to.

That's where I learned about fallback-mode, but you can indeed install
panel applets like system-monitor, weather, clock, etc and add panel
icons to start your favorite apps.

One *very* important thing to know, however:  To do things like move
your panel icons around and add new ones, you must alt-right-click
on the panel instead of just plain right-click.  Took me a while to
google that one.  (This works only in fallback mode, BTW.)

I'd say gnome3 is definitely better now than kde4 was when it first
launched.  (But that's faint praise indeed :)

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 26.11.2011 23:11, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 2011-11-26 22:56, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> 
>> Let me get this straight: if I want to somehow stay in the world of
>> gnome-2.32 (panels, desktop, etc) I could simply avoid masking any of
>> the new stuff and use the mentioned gnome-fallback-setting?
>>
>> I also hesitate to leave my comfort zone ...  ;-) (and I am on ~amd64 as
>> well).
> 
> I think I will keep on masking ...

For reference/testing/review:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-903192.html

brought me to the package.mask I use right now (posting by golagoda).

Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:11:27PM +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Right now I use some package.mask-list from a posting in the
> gentoo-forums .... I'd be happy if the maintainers would provide us with
> a way to easily chose to stay w/ <gnome-3 somehow (without maintaining a
> long list of packages to mask).
> 
> Stefan
> 

Though I don’t use either Gnome version, I believe that we are quite safe with
Gentoo for a while longer, as compared with most other distros out there. At
least that is what I remember from my KDE experience; (almost) all distros
jumped on the KDE 4 waggon as soon as the still unusable 4.1 and let KDE 3
fall instantly without alternative.

OTOH, Gentoo remained with KDE3 as the main version for a comparably long time,
and I am very grateful for that. And even after KDE4 became “stable” in
portage, we could still use both in parallel for even longer before KDE3 was
finally removed from portage. I think I made the final and complete switch as
late as 4.3 or 4.4.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Mon, Nov 28 2011, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

> Though I don’t use either Gnome version, I believe that we are quite safe with
> Gentoo for a while longer, as compared with most other distros out there. At
> least that is what I remember from my KDE experience; (almost) all distros
> jumped on the KDE 4 waggon as soon as the still unusable 4.1 and let KDE 3
> fall instantly without alternative.
>
> OTOH, Gentoo remained with KDE3 as the main version for a comparably
> long time, and I am very grateful for that. And even after KDE4 became
> “stable” in portage, we could still use both in parallel for even
> longer before KDE3 was finally removed from portage. I think I made
> the final and complete switch as late as 4.3 or 4.4.

See http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-903280.html, which I believe is
a good read.

One quote

    5. Will gnome-2 still be supported?

    For a limited time. We will support gnome-2 until gnome-3.x is
    stabilized. After gnome-3.x is marked stable, which will happen at
    some point in 2012, gnome-2 will be removed. We do not have the
    man-hours needed to properly support two major versions of gnome.

allan

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:07 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, at least on ~x86 and ~amd64 gnome3 is the default now.  I have
> mixed feelings about gnome3, so I let gentoo install it on a VirtualBox
> VM to start with and I'll think about updating my real machines later.
>
> The new gnome-shell is the controversial piece of gnome3 and (so far)
> I find it counterproductive.
>
> I googled how to disable the gnome-shell and get my gnome-panel back,
> along with the panel applets that I refuse to give up.  (The gnome-
> shell replaces the gnome-panel, so there is nowhere to run the old
> applets.)
>
> If you want to disable gnome-shell you can do it with the System Info
> function in System Settings.  Click the Graphics icon and enable the
> gnome-fallback setting to disable gnome-shell.  Ah, much better :)

Slashdot today had an announcement of a Linux Mint 12 release which
notably had comments about something called Mint Gnome Shell
Extensions which supposedly lets them use Gnome 3 with a 'Gnome 2-Like
Experience'. (How's that for marketing?!?)

Maybe there's something there that could help you?

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 has landed

[Lorenzo Bandieri]

>> I googled how to disable the gnome-shell and get my gnome-panel back,
>> along with the panel applets that I refuse to give up.  (The gnome-
>> shell replaces the gnome-panel, so there is nowhere to run the old
>> applets.)
>>
>> If you want to disable gnome-shell you can do it with the System Info
>> function in System Settings.  Click the Graphics icon and enable the
>> gnome-fallback setting to disable gnome-shell.  Ah, much better :)


I don't know if this can be useful for you, however: having a box with
debian, I read the debian ML, too. Two weeks ago (if I remember
correctly) gnome 3 landed in testing, resulting in many discussions.
Among these, I remember that a few people claimed that fallback mode
is only a temporary solution, and, sooner or later, it'll be removed.
I don't know if it's true or not, but maybe this information can be
valuable (or worth verification) for those that are going to run gnome
3 in fallback mode... FYI only.

Cheers,

Lorenzo
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