From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RCFzg-0007o0-Lb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:22:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8666D21C175; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2347D21C09E for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801AD1B4016 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:20:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -5.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.411 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=1.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ay-7UvrC6Kpx for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE1D1B400A for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCFxm-0003ON-6b for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:20:06 +0200 Received: from dsl.comtrol.com ([64.122.56.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:20:06 +0200 Received: from grant.b.edwards by dsl.comtrol.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:20:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111005162007.GA5820@badass.gateway.2wire.net> <20111005184721.01af0bda@toxic.dbnet> <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20111006102023.4471babe@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E0112.3010208@orlitzky.com> <20111006230040.04f9af0f@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E1C54.4010706@orlitzky.com> <20111007014214.5756f0f5@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E4DE9.8040308@orlitzky.com> <4E8EAC13.5000805@gmx.net> <4E8F05DA.20905@orlitzky.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 9ab2d81c69fe33cb41f98debff5a9697 On 2011-10-07, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 10/07/2011 03:36 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> Am 07.10.2011 02:55, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: >>> On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >>>>> If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, >>>> why would you do that? >>> Eventually, grub2 will be all that's available from portage. At that >>> point, I can either, >>> >>> 1) Install grub2 on some machines. >>> >>> 2) Maintain grub-legacy (and install media) myself. >> >> i really don't think thats the way its going to be. i think there will >> be grub and grub2 in portage potentially forever. like with python 2 and 3. >> >> even if not, 2) takes you one cp command and a little bit of disk space >> for the grub tarball. > > Python2 will stick around because most packages (portage!) don't work > with python3. Grub doesn't have the same problem. > > (2) requires me to at least, > > * Figure out how to build a Gentoo install CD > * Fork grub-legacy on our servers somewhere > * Test it against all future kernel releases > * Document why we're doing this, and how to do the first three steps. > > >>> * Upgrade a bunch of my servers at 4am? >> why not choose a convenient time to upgrade? > > 4am *is* the convenient time to upgrade. And usually on a weekend, so when the whole thing goes sideways you've got at least one day to fix it before "regular business hours" start. Unless it's a "consumer" server not a "business" server, then you don't have a "weekend" for fixing stuff that goes wrong. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! ... he dominates the at DECADENT SUBWAY SCENE. gmail.com