From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RCFrH-0006cE-Gw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:13:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91D3321C0F0; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13BB21C086 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F98C1B400A for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:12:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -5.409 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.409 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=1.190, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZCqEiz6t4T0v for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDC91B4032 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCFq6-0000Fo-Rx for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:12:10 +0200 Received: from dsl.comtrol.com ([64.122.56.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:12:10 +0200 Received: from grant.b.edwards by dsl.comtrol.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:12:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111005162007.GA5820@badass.gateway.2wire.net> <20111005184721.01af0bda@toxic.dbnet> <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20111006102023.4471babe@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E0112.3010208@orlitzky.com> <20111006230040.04f9af0f@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E72B3.9070703@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e41aff273902cf43d4d8fb731e2a2452 On 2011-10-07, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: > In the end, udev was making huge advances, and HAL could not keep up > simply because the other Operating Systems didn't have similar > capabilities, so the consumers of HAL (desktop systems, mostly) > started to use udev directly. That was when the shit hit the fan: if > the purpose of HAL was to mantain "portability", but the biggest and > most active developer community (Linux) refused to use it since it > didn't allowed them to use the full capabilities of the operating > system, then it had (literally) no reason to live. So the HAL > mantainers saw the error of their ways, and they deprecated it, > saying to the user space developers that, in Linux, they should use > udev, and in other Operating Systems whatever was equivalent, if any. > > It was really fast, if I remember correctly: one day half the > programs in my computers used HAL, and the next every single one of > them stopped using it. In Gentoo in particular was pretty rough, > since the X.org version that used HAL had just become stable (which > was kinda difficult to transition to), and next thing you know, you > again had to transition, this time to a HAL-free X.org. A lot of > users got really angry in Gentoo because of that. Some of us grumpy-old-guy types refused to play nice and didn't make either transition. We disabled HAL support in X.org [after X.org had stopped working when HAL became the default]. Once we had HAL disabled, we continued to to use the trusty old xorg.conf file until the whole HAL thing blew over. I'm going to ignore grub2 for as long as I can, but I don't think it's going away the way HAL did... ;) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I'd like some JUNK at FOOD ... and then I want to gmail.com be ALONE --