From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RBzRY-0002Ss-Uk for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:41:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7C1D21C1B3; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88D221C0BE for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD261B4015 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:40:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.065 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=1.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UZzcKptqgZD5 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B822F1B402C for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBzQL-0001h0-4N for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:40:29 +0200 Received: from 68.168.167.182 ([68.168.167.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:40:29 +0200 Received: from grant.b.edwards by 68.168.167.182 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:40:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111005162007.GA5820@badass.gateway.2wire.net> <20111005184721.01af0bda@toxic.dbnet> <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20111006102023.4471babe@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E0112.3010208@orlitzky.com> <20111006230040.04f9af0f@toxic.dbnet> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.168.167.182 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: b516a82fdd7fc8c878b5b0dc16989d22 On 2011-10-06, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > >> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> >>> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not >>> being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it >>> with passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it >>> again and the process will repeat. Weird I can deal with. It's the "order of magnitude more complicated" that gets annoying. Granted, in the case of Grub2, most of that is due to the fact that I encounter in mainly on Ubuntu systems. I don't know how they manage it, but every time the Ubunutu folks have a decision to make, they pick a direction exactly opposite that which I would choose. Still, I have to give them credit for still making a usable single-CD system when everybody else requires 4 CDs or a DVD. >> But if someone else snuck into your house and flipped your locks >> every week? >> >> This one change won't be catastrophic, but I will probably spend a >> good eight hours researching, testing, implementing, and documenting >> it. In the end, *if everything goes according to plan*, stuff will >> work exactly how it does now. > > nothing forces you to switch to grub2. Not this week, no. It'll happen... > don't get me started, the suppressed memories about HAL-config or > broken suse-10 usermount may come back ;) HAL... shudder. -- Grant