From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RBRyS-0001ME-VP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:57:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34F8621C0E1; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095D121C0AB for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DDC1B4013 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=1.199, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w4qbbYC5lAYR for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7321B4039 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBRx8-0008PR-Jq for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 15:56:06 +0200 Received: from dsl.comtrol.com ([64.122.56.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 15:56:06 +0200 Received: from grant.b.edwards by dsl.comtrol.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 15:56:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it? Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111004110746.395635e0@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 5bd0f0d41e0d52aeccfc151bace64253 On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >>>> On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: >>>> >>>>> Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it. >>>>> Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstart, >>>>> OpenRC) is simply a program... that the Linux kernel itself executes. >>>> >>>> I know. ??What I don't understand is the statement that grub2 calls (or >>>> connects to) the init system. >>>> >>>>> That's the init= command line in the kernel. >>>>> >>>>> The bootloader calls an operating system. The init system (if at all) >>>>> that the OS uses doesn't matter: so if you have an operating system, >>>>> any bootloader should be able to boot it (bearing things like being >>>>> able to understand the filesystem etc.) >>>> >>>> I know how bootloaders like LILO and grub-legacy work. ??What I don't >>>> understand is the statement that grub2 is somehow aware of the booted >>>> OS's init system. >>> >>> Oh. The configuration file of GRUB2 is autogenerated, and this means >>> that the init=systemd has to be passed to the kernel line. >>> >>> In that sense, GRUB2 is "aware" of it. >> >> So to use grub2 you have to replace the normal "init" program that's >> started by the kernle as PID#1 with something else? > > No. I give up. I've absolutely no idea what grub2 has to do with the OS's init system, and none of what you've written makes any sense to me. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! We are now enjoying at total mutual interaction in gmail.com an imaginary hot tub ...