[gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Pandu Poluan]

Hello list!

I am trying to get the 'Zen' of emerge. Please CMIIW on the following points:

* emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in @world

* To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
(emerge --update package), or use --deep against world (emerge
--update --deep @world)

* --update-ing a package will not record it in @world

* If I want that package to be included in @world, I have to re-emerge it

So, did I get everything right?

Rgds,


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Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 08:35 on Monday 16 May 2011, Pandu Poluan did 
opine thusly:

> Hello list!
> 
> I am trying to get the 'Zen' of emerge. Please CMIIW on the following
> points:
> 
> * emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in
> @world

Yes

> * To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
> (emerge --update package), or use --deep against world (emerge
> --update --deep @world)

Yes

> * --update-ing a package will not record it in @world

Dunno. Please test it and tell us if it did or not

> * If I want that package to be included in @world, I have to re-emerge it

No.

emerge -n

Refer to emerge man page

You can also just edit /var/lib/portage/world by hand for the same result

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[gentoo-user] Re: --oneshot and --update

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 05/16/2011 09:35 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> Hello list!
>
> I am trying to get the 'Zen' of emerge. Please CMIIW on the following points:
>
> * emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in @world
>
> * To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
> (emerge --update package), or use --deep against world (emerge
> --update --deep @world)
>
> * --update-ing a package will not record it in @world
>
> * If I want that package to be included in @world, I have to re-emerge it
>
> So, did I get everything right?

I don't think that "--deep" will update stuff that isn't a direct or 
indirect dependency of packages that are in world.

Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Stéphane Guedon]

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On Monday 16 May 2011 08:35:19 Pandu Poluan wrote:
> Hello list!
> 
> I am trying to get the 'Zen' of emerge. Please CMIIW on the following
> points:
> 
> * emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in
> @world

right

> * To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
> (emerge --update package), or use --deep against world (emerge
> --update --deep @world)
> 
> * --update-ing a package will not record it in @world
> 
> * If I want that package to be included in @world, I have to re-emerge it
 
no, you can use emerge --noreplace www-client/firefox (for exemple), or write 
this ebuild name in the world file itself.

> So, did I get everything right?
> 
> Rgds,

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Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:35:19 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:

> * emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it
> in @world
Yes.

> * To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
> (emerge --update package), or use --deep against world (emerge
> --update --deep @world)

The former, the latter will not do anything as the package is unknown to
world.

> * --update-ing a package will not record it in @world

As in emerge -u package? That will record it in world.

> * If I want that package to be included in @world, I have to re-emerge
> it
* emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in
@world

* To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
(emerge --update package), or use --deep against world (emerge
--update --deep @world)

* --update-ing a package will not record it in @world

* If I want that package to be included in @world, I have to re-emerge it

No, emerge -n package.


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Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Stroller]

On 16/5/2011, at 7:35am, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> ...
> * emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in @world
> 
> * To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
> (emerge --update package) ...

Will this not cause the package to be recorded in world?

I think you update a oneshotted package with `emerge -1 package` (just the same as you used to install it in the first place).

This probably doesn't arise very often, as you probably won't be updating oneshotted packages very often. --oneshot is fairly strictly a temporary solution - to fulfil a virtual in a certain way or just for testing how a package behaves with or without a graphics lib installed. If you want the package updated then you should record it in world.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Dale]

Stroller wrote:
> On 16/5/2011, at 7:35am, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>    
>> ...
>> * emerge --oneshot package will install package but does not record it in @world
>>
>> * To update a oneshot-ed package, I must either do it explicitly
>> (emerge --update package) ...
>>      
> Will this not cause the package to be recorded in world?
>
> I think you update a oneshotted package with `emerge -1 package` (just the same as you used to install it in the first place).
>
> This probably doesn't arise very often, as you probably won't be updating oneshotted packages very often. --oneshot is fairly strictly a temporary solution - to fulfil a virtual in a certain way or just for testing how a package behaves with or without a graphics lib installed. If you want the package updated then you should record it in world.
>
> Stroller.
>
>    

Way back when, --update did not record to the world file.  That may have 
changed but I sort of doubt it.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Alex Schuster]

Dale writes:

> Way back when, --update did not record to the world file.  That may have
> changed but I sort of doubt it.

It has changed indeed.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 16 May 2011 14:38:37 +0100, Stroller wrote:

> This probably doesn't arise very often, as you probably won't be
> updating oneshotted packages very often. --oneshot is fairly strictly a
> temporary solution - to fulfil a virtual in a certain way or just for
> testing how a package behaves with or without a graphics lib installed.
> If you want the package updated then you should record it in world.

I use to use --oneshot for testing packages, so they didn't end up in
world with me forgetting they were there. Now I use a set (@temp) and add
any packages I want to try out in there. It stops stuff getting
depcleaned before I've tried it and keeps the package and itsa deps up to
date. Every so often I go through the temp set and remove packages,
either adding them to @world or leaving them to the tender mercies of
depclean.


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Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Pandu Poluan]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 21:17, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> Dale writes:
>
>> Way back when, --update did not record to the world file.  That may have
>> changed but I sort of doubt it.
>
> It has changed indeed.
>
>        Wonko
>
>

So, if I do:

emerge --update --newuse --pretend --deep world

And then, let's say there's package 'foo' that I never emerged
manually (not visible if I didn't use '--deep' above), and I do

emerge --update foo

Then 'foo' will be recorded in @world?

Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] --oneshot and --update

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:06:59 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:

> So, if I do:
> 
> emerge --update --newuse --pretend --deep world
> 
> And then, let's say there's package 'foo' that I never emerged
> manually (not visible if I didn't use '--deep' above), and I do
> 
> emerge --update foo
> 
> Then 'foo' will be recorded in @world?

Yes. If a world update with "--deep --with-bdeps y" doesn't touch a
package, you should either let depclean remove it or add it to world.

It means the package is not a dependency of anything in world, either
know you need it because you use it, in which case it should be in world,
or it is a no longer needed dependency and should be cleaned up.


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ordeal of meeting me is another matter. - Sir Winston Churchill
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