[gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Dirk Uys]

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Hi Everyone

I wanted to install freemind, did a emerge -uavNDt freemind, this is what I
get:

[ebuild  N    ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
-latex" 14,714 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
-jimi -source" 14,798 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/batik-1.7-r2  USE="python -doc -tcl" 14,708 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/rhino-1.7.2-r2  USE="-doc -examples -source"
2,946 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/xml-xmlbeans-1.0.4_pre20041217  USE="-doc
-source" 2,380 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/xml-xmlbeans-1.0.4_pre20041217  USE="-doc -source"
[nomerge      ]  dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
[nomerge      ]   dev-java/jdom-1.0-r4  USE="-doc -examples -source"
[ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/jdom-jaxen-1.0-r1  3,489 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
265 kB
[ebuild  N    ]      dev-java/jdom-1.0-r4  USE="-doc -examples -source" 0 kB
[nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
-latex"
[nomerge      ]  dev-java/ant-trax-1.8.1
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/ant-apache-xalan2-1.8.1  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/ant-trax-1.8.1  0 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
-jimi -source"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/avalon-framework-4.2.0-r1  USE="-doc -source" 68
kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/avalon-logkit-2.1-r4  USE="-doc -source -test" 59
kB
[ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/jms-1.1  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/glassfish-jms-api-1.1.2.2.04  USE="-doc
-source" 38,884 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/javamail-1.0-r1  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/sun-javamail-1.4.3  USE="-doc -source" 1,148 kB
[ebuild  N    ]      java-virtuals/jaf-1.1-r1  0 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xom-1.0-r7  USE="-doc -examples -source" 3,317 kB
[nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
-latex"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/simplyhtml-0.13.1  USE="-doc -source" 463 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/gnu-regexp-1.1.4-r2  USE="-doc -source" 161 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
-jimi -source"
[ebuild  N    ]  java-virtuals/servlet-api-2.2  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/tomcat-servlet-api-3  USE="-doc -source" 64 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xmlgraphics-commons-1.3.1  USE="jpeg -doc
-examples -source -test" 734 kB
[nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
-latex"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xsd2jibx-0.2a_beta-r2  USE="-doc -source" 939 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/jibx-1.1.5-r1  USE="-doc -source" 6,630 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/dom4j-1.6.1-r3  USE="-doc -source -test" 9,463
kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/msv-20050627-r2  USE="-doc -source" 3,703 kB
[ebuild  N    ]      dev-java/iso-relax-20050331-r2  USE="-source" 681 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/jsr173-1.0-r1  USE="-doc -source" 625 kB
[ebuild  N    ]      dev-java/jaxme-0.5.2  USE="-doc -source" 5,351 kB
[ebuild  N    ]       dev-db/hsqldb-1.8.1.2-r1  USE="-doc -source -test"
3,435 kB
[ebuild  N    ]        java-virtuals/servlet-api-2.3  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]         dev-java/tomcat-servlet-api-4.1.36  USE="-doc
-source" 3,629 kB
[ebuild  N    ]       dev-java/antlr-2.7.7  USE="cxx java python -debug -doc
-examples -mono -script -source" 0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]       dev-java/xmldb-20011111-r1  USE="-doc -source" 36 kB
[ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/xpp2-2.1.10-r1  USE="-doc -source" 2,257 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/stax-api-1-r1  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/jgoodies-forms-1.3.0  USE="-doc -examples -source"
1,290 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/jdom-jaxen-1.0-r1
[nomerge      ]  dev-java/jdom-1.0-r4  USE="-doc -examples -source"
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/saxpath-1.0-r2  USE="-doc -source -test" 2,116 kB
[nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
-latex"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/javahelp-2.0.02_p46  USE="-doc -examples -source"
6,367 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/servletapi-2.4-r5  USE="-doc -source" 4,684 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
-jimi -source"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/commons-io-1.4  USE="-doc -source -test" 231 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
[nomerge      ]  dev-java/dom4j-1.6.1-r3  USE="-doc -source -test"
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/xsdlib-20050627-r2  USE="-doc -source" 786 kB
[nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
-latex"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/ant-nodeps-1.8.1  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/commons-lang-2.4  USE="-doc -source -test" 511 kB
[nomerge      ] dev-java/dom4j-1.6.1-r3  USE="-doc -source -test"
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/relaxng-datatype-1.0-r1  USE="-doc -source" 73 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xpp3-1.1.4c-r1  USE="-doc -source -test" 938 kB

The indentation is a little weird in the pasted output, but as far as I can
deduce freemind wants dev-java/fop, fop wants dev-java/avalon-framework and
avalon-framework want dev-java/avalon-logkit, avalon-logkit wants
ava-virtuals/jms and jms wants dev-java/glassfish-jms-api.

Which in my mind translate to: I need to install Java Message Service which
is enterprise message oriented middleware in order to get logging going for
some library that is used by freemind!!!! For some reason my mind doesn't
feel free, it feels bogged down.

It doesn't seem like there are any use flags I can set to avoid this! Is JMS
really an compulsory requirement for avalon-logkit??

Can anyone please suggest a mindmap application on gentoo that doesn't rely
on the same enterprise technology my bank is using?

Regards
Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 21:18 on Wednesday 03 November 2010, Dirk Uys 
did opine thusly:

> Hi Everyone
> 
> I wanted to install freemind, did a emerge -uavNDt freemind, this is what I
> get:

[snip mind-boggling amount of emerge output...]

> The indentation is a little weird in the pasted output, but as far as I can
> deduce freemind wants dev-java/fop, fop wants dev-java/avalon-framework and
> avalon-framework want dev-java/avalon-logkit, avalon-logkit wants
> ava-virtuals/jms and jms wants dev-java/glassfish-jms-api.
> 
> Which in my mind translate to: I need to install Java Message Service which
> is enterprise message oriented middleware in order to get logging going for
> some library that is used by freemind!!!! For some reason my mind doesn't
> feel free, it feels bogged down.
> 
> It doesn't seem like there are any use flags I can set to avoid this! Is
> JMS really an compulsory requirement for avalon-logkit??
> 
> Can anyone please suggest a mindmap application on gentoo that doesn't rely
> on the same enterprise technology my bank is using?


Can you get by without pdf and svg support in freemind? You will lose jms but 
still need to install half of Sun's (oops, sorry - Oracle's) public repos just 
for java.



$ USE="-pdf -svg" emerge -pvt freemind

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="-doc -groovy -latex -pdf -
svg" 14,714 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/simplyhtml-0.13.1  USE="-doc -source" 463 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/gnu-regexp-1.1.4-r2  USE="-doc -source" 161 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xsd2jibx-0.2a_beta-r2  USE="-doc -source" 939 kB
[ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/jibx-1.1.5-r1  USE="-doc -source" 6,630 kB
[ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/stax-api-1-r1  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/jgoodies-forms-1.3.0  USE="-doc -examples -source" 
1,290 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/commons-lang-2.4  USE="-doc -source -test" 511 kB
[ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/javahelp-2.0.02_p46  USE="-doc -examples -source" 
6,367 kB

Total: 9 packages (9 new), Size of downloads: 31,072 kB

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Dirk Uys]

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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> [snip mind-boggling amount of emerge output...]
>

Sorry about that :)


> Can you get by without pdf and svg support in freemind? You will lose jms
> but
>
still need to install half of Sun's (oops, sorry - Oracle's) public repos
> just
> for java.
>
>
>
> $ USE="-pdf -svg" emerge -pvt freemind
>

Thanks, I think I will most likely go this route. First prize would be to
get a mindmapper simular to freemind for KDE or Qt. Any suggestions?

Regards
Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Kfir Lavi]

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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dirk Uys <dirkcuys@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> [snip mind-boggling amount of emerge output...]
>>
>
> Sorry about that :)
>
>
>> Can you get by without pdf and svg support in freemind? You will lose jms
>> but
>>
> still need to install half of Sun's (oops, sorry - Oracle's) public repos
>> just
>> for java.
>>
>>
>>
>> $ USE="-pdf -svg" emerge -pvt freemind
>>
>
> Thanks, I think I will most likely go this route. First prize would be to
> get a mindmapper simular to freemind for KDE or Qt. Any suggestions?
>
> Regards
> Dirk
>
Is this something that can work? http://basket.kde.org/

Kfir

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Re: [gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Kfir Lavi]

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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Dirk Uys <dirkcuys@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> I wanted to install freemind, did a emerge -uavNDt freemind, this is what I
> get:
>
> [ebuild  N    ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
> -latex" 14,714 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
> -jimi -source" 14,798 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/batik-1.7-r2  USE="python -doc -tcl" 14,708 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/rhino-1.7.2-r2  USE="-doc -examples -source"
> 2,946 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/xml-xmlbeans-1.0.4_pre20041217  USE="-doc
> -source" 2,380 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/xml-xmlbeans-1.0.4_pre20041217  USE="-doc -source"
>
> [nomerge      ]  dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
> [nomerge      ]   dev-java/jdom-1.0-r4  USE="-doc -examples -source"
> [ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/jdom-jaxen-1.0-r1  3,489 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source
> -test" 265 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      dev-java/jdom-1.0-r4  USE="-doc -examples -source" 0
> kB
> [nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
> -latex"
> [nomerge      ]  dev-java/ant-trax-1.8.1
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/ant-apache-xalan2-1.8.1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/ant-trax-1.8.1  0 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
> -jimi -source"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/avalon-framework-4.2.0-r1  USE="-doc -source" 68
> kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/avalon-logkit-2.1-r4  USE="-doc -source -test"
> 59 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/jms-1.1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/glassfish-jms-api-1.1.2.2.04  USE="-doc
> -source" 38,884 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/javamail-1.0-r1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/sun-javamail-1.4.3  USE="-doc -source" 1,148
> kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      java-virtuals/jaf-1.1-r1  0 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xom-1.0-r7  USE="-doc -examples -source" 3,317 kB
> [nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
> -latex"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/simplyhtml-0.13.1  USE="-doc -source" 463 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/gnu-regexp-1.1.4-r2  USE="-doc -source" 161 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
> -jimi -source"
> [ebuild  N    ]  java-virtuals/servlet-api-2.2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/tomcat-servlet-api-3  USE="-doc -source" 64 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xmlgraphics-commons-1.3.1  USE="jpeg -doc
> -examples -source -test" 734 kB
> [nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
> -latex"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xsd2jibx-0.2a_beta-r2  USE="-doc -source" 939 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/jibx-1.1.5-r1  USE="-doc -source" 6,630 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    dev-java/dom4j-1.6.1-r3  USE="-doc -source -test" 9,463
> kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/msv-20050627-r2  USE="-doc -source" 3,703 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      dev-java/iso-relax-20050331-r2  USE="-source" 681 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/jsr173-1.0-r1  USE="-doc -source" 625 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]      dev-java/jaxme-0.5.2  USE="-doc -source" 5,351 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       dev-db/hsqldb-1.8.1.2-r1  USE="-doc -source -test"
> 3,435 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]        java-virtuals/servlet-api-2.3  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]         dev-java/tomcat-servlet-api-4.1.36  USE="-doc
> -source" 3,629 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       dev-java/antlr-2.7.7  USE="cxx java python -debug
> -doc -examples -mono -script -source" 0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]       dev-java/xmldb-20011111-r1  USE="-doc -source" 36 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]     dev-java/xpp2-2.1.10-r1  USE="-doc -source" 2,257 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]    java-virtuals/stax-api-1-r1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/jgoodies-forms-1.3.0  USE="-doc -examples
> -source" 1,290 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/jdom-jaxen-1.0-r1
> [nomerge      ]  dev-java/jdom-1.0-r4  USE="-doc -examples -source"
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/saxpath-1.0-r2  USE="-doc -source -test" 2,116
> kB
> [nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
> -latex"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/javahelp-2.0.02_p46  USE="-doc -examples -source"
> 6,367 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/servletapi-2.4-r5  USE="-doc -source" 4,684 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/fop-0.95  USE="-doc -examples -hyphenation -jai
> -jimi -source"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/commons-io-1.4  USE="-doc -source -test" 231 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/jaxen-1.1.1  USE="-doc -examples -source -test"
> [nomerge      ]  dev-java/dom4j-1.6.1-r3  USE="-doc -source -test"
> [ebuild  N    ]   dev-java/xsdlib-20050627-r2  USE="-doc -source" 786 kB
> [nomerge      ] app-misc/freemind-0.9.0_rc7  USE="pdf svg -doc -groovy
> -latex"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/ant-nodeps-1.8.1  0 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/commons-lang-2.4  USE="-doc -source -test" 511 kB
> [nomerge      ] dev-java/dom4j-1.6.1-r3  USE="-doc -source -test"
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/relaxng-datatype-1.0-r1  USE="-doc -source" 73 kB
> [ebuild  N    ]  dev-java/xpp3-1.1.4c-r1  USE="-doc -source -test" 938 kB
>
> The indentation is a little weird in the pasted output, but as far as I can
> deduce freemind wants dev-java/fop, fop wants dev-java/avalon-framework and
> avalon-framework want dev-java/avalon-logkit, avalon-logkit wants
> ava-virtuals/jms and jms wants dev-java/glassfish-jms-api.
>
> Which in my mind translate to: I need to install Java Message Service which
> is enterprise message oriented middleware in order to get logging going for
> some library that is used by freemind!!!! For some reason my mind doesn't
> feel free, it feels bogged down.
>
> It doesn't seem like there are any use flags I can set to avoid this! Is
> JMS really an compulsory requirement for avalon-logkit??
>
> Can anyone please suggest a mindmap application on gentoo that doesn't rely
> on the same enterprise technology my bank is using?
>
> Regards
> Dirk
>
Usually when I see Java involved, I just grab my running shoes and sprint
away.

Kfir

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Re: [gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Kfir Lavi]

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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Kfir Lavi <lavi.kfir@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dirk Uys <dirkcuys@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [snip mind-boggling amount of emerge output...]
>>>
>>
>> Sorry about that :)
>>
>>
>>> Can you get by without pdf and svg support in freemind? You will lose jms
>>> but
>>>
>> still need to install half of Sun's (oops, sorry - Oracle's) public repos
>>> just
>>> for java.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $ USE="-pdf -svg" emerge -pvt freemind
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, I think I will most likely go this route. First prize would be to
>> get a mindmapper simular to freemind for KDE or Qt. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Regards
>> Dirk
>>
> Is this something that can work? http://basket.kde.org/
>
> Kfir
>
Maybe this
http://embedsoftdev.com/software-engineering/mind-map-and-mind-mapping-software/
will add to the fun.

Kfir

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[gentoo-user] Re: Freemind - big can of worms

[Jörg Schaible]

Hi Dirk,

Dirk Uys wrote:

> Hi Everyone
> 
> I wanted to install freemind, did a emerge -uavNDt freemind, this is what
> I get:

[snip] 

> The indentation is a little weird in the pasted output, but as far as I
> can deduce freemind wants dev-java/fop, fop wants
> dev-java/avalon-framework and avalon-framework want
> dev-java/avalon-logkit, avalon-logkit wants ava-virtuals/jms and jms wants
> dev-java/glassfish-jms-api.
> 
> Which in my mind translate to: I need to install Java Message Service
> which is enterprise message oriented middleware in order to get logging
> going for some library that is used by freemind!!!! For some reason my
> mind doesn't feel free, it feels bogged down.
>
> It doesn't seem like there are any use flags I can set to avoid this! Is
> JMS really an compulsory requirement for avalon-logkit??

JMS is an optional dependency for logkit. It depends on the JMS API only, 
but triggers not even an implementation. The ebuild could offer it as flag.
 
> Can anyone please suggest a mindmap application on gentoo that doesn't
> rely on the same enterprise technology my bank is using?

There are more funny deps on this tree. With Xpp2, Xpp3, DOM4J, StAX, JDOM 
and XOM I can see 6 different packages for XML parsing ;-)

I think it is hard for the Java ebuild maintainers to recognize which 
dependency is really required for a package and which trigger optionally 
supported features.

- Jörg

Re: [gentoo-user] Freemind - big can of worms

[Andy Laursen]

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 21:18:01 +0200
Dirk Uys <dirkcuys@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone please suggest a mindmap application on gentoo that
> doesn't rely on the same enterprise technology my bank is using?

I've been using XMind.  

http://www.xmind.net/

It's not in portage, but I've found the portable version to work well
on my gentoo box.