From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OTlkI-0003en-OV for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:05:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40CF5E0D1C; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EFCE0D1C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5791B404A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:05:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.226 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, PLING_QUERY=1.39] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iMkXH+09bCgA for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393871B40C2 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTljd-0004TH-9a for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:05:05 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-180-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.180.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:05:05 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-180-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:05:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: walt Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1277766970.4c292d3a54f96@oo.vpn.blueboxsoft.pl> <201006291623.48783.wonko@wonkology.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-180-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:2.0b2pre) Gecko/20100629 Thunderbird/3.2a1pre In-Reply-To: <201006291623.48783.wonko@wonkology.org> X-Archives-Salt: 19a8e1af-c7b5-4256-94be-42b0b6074345 X-Archives-Hash: 45c9d8706234b95e947f062b5a13a0d3 On 06/29/2010 07:23 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: > I have: > CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 Hm. I've never seen that flag before. My k8 supports only sse2. > AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of > making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my > bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this > flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable? I've never been able to see any difference, so I don't use omit-fp. But, the main cpu-intensive app I use is gcc, and I admit I've never actually measured the difference. > Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for, I agree completely, but the Software-As-A-Service paradigm is getting a lot of attention from M$ *and* google as a more profitable alternative to selling shrink-wrapped software like M$-Office. (M$ ran out of good ideas to persuade people to buy new versions of Office many years ago, IMHO.) When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the answer to their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win. I hate web-mail, and I always use pop3 or imap when I can, but I can't force my employer to offer those services if they've decided that running a web- mail server is cheaper. I've tried many times, but I'm losing the battle. If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years. Will the black hat hackers be unhappy about that? Dunno, but I'd guess not.