From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OFt2x-00089l-7W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:03:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45887E0C33; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0820AE0C33 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9334C1B412D for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.378, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a2b3kbjarDsN for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DF91B4032 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFt1o-00048v-C9 for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 20:02:28 +0200 Received: from athedsl-371319.home.otenet.gr ([79.131.2.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 20:02:28 +0200 Received: from realnc by athedsl-371319.home.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 20:02:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org connect(): No such file or directory From: Nikos Chantziaras Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 21:02:51 +0300 Organization: Lucas Barks Message-ID: References: <201005192159.29314.koesterreich@gmx.net> <201005212138.54483.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: athedsl-371319.home.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100410 Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8b74aedd-d44a-4bca-a051-96dd63a126b9 X-Archives-Hash: 0a24021218c59ba7059971a44365ad40 On 05/22/2010 07:59 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wr= ote: >> Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the = sound >> actually being played. It's usually around 30ms here with ALSA/dmix, = and >> around 10ms with OSS/vmix. It's not funny trying to play something in= a >> software synth with a keyboard when having a 30ms latency. > > As I said, you're doing it wrong. No "normal" (average desktop, media > center, laptop, linux-phone) user needs 10ms of latency in audio. > That's overkill. Yours is a special case, and you need special > software. Try Jack. I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I=20 sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyist), I'd like to do=20 the same in Linux. Windows: I don't need Jack there. Audio latency is low even with=20 non-ASIO drivers. Linux: I suddenly need "Jack" and specialty hacks and must do without a=20 mixer! No thanks. OSSv4 allows me to use my machine in the same manner=20 as Windows: It just works and does the right thing regardless of the=20 application I'm running. ALSA/Pulse needing third-party stuff just to get basics right=20 (acceptable latency; not *ultra* low latency, just acceptable one) is a=20 sign that they're not designed right. And OSS4 dying because of kernel-mixing is a bit far-stretched. "No FP=20 mixing in kernel" is Linux-specific. Other kernels don't have a problem=20 with that. And in the end, you know what? Even if OSS4 had a broken design, it's=20 still better, because it works better. At least it gets the basics=20 right. Other operating systems are much more advanced in that manner.=20 It's ALSA that holds Linux audio back.