From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NjwJf-00045o-Fz for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:04:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1342BE0B74 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0083E099E for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A12B1B43CA for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:59:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.057 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.458, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JZ++SregqDbp for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB8A1B43BF for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjwEL-0006F9-2x for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:59:21 +0100 Received: from athedsl-388759.home.otenet.gr ([79.131.70.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:59:21 +0100 Received: from realnc by athedsl-388759.home.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:59:21 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Nikos Chantziaras Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:33 +0200 Organization: Lucas Barks Message-ID: References: <67701443-6E08-476C-AF00-5F6BB156E643@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20100223102617.50108832@digimed.co.uk> <20100223130834.36b0d95c@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: athedsl-388759.home.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100206 Thunderbird/3.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20100223130834.36b0d95c@digimed.co.uk> X-Archives-Salt: 991e9f76-8777-4c66-b792-d3da72287f8e X-Archives-Hash: bc873f0956859ff34e6450fa4a394745 On 02/23/2010 03:08 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:39:48 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> I am currently "subscribed" to 31 mailing lists on GMane. I don't even >> want to imagine what would happen if I would receive email from all of >> them (and 90% of the posts would not interest me anyway, so why recieve >> them in the first place?) It's just not practical. A Usenet-like >> front-end is the perfect solution here; a mailing list is very similar >> to a Usenet newsgroup and that's why this approach is the most >> practical one. And even if I were subscribed to only one list, it >> would still be the best way to access it; even though the traffic is >> much lower when compared to 31 lists, but it's still high enough to get >> annoying with something landing on your inbox every 10 minutes or so, >> even stuff you don't intend to read. With Usenet, you only get what >> you're interested in, and you get it in a way that is very easy to >> access and browse though. > > With the downside being that the process is slower, as you have to > download each message or thread as you want to read it. Contrast this > with having email delivered whether you are reading it or not and being > filtered at the moment of arrival so it is instantly available, sorted > into folders, when you start up your client. However, this convenience > uses more bandwidth, so if that is worth more to you than your time, using > Usenet for selective reading does make sense. No, each message gets downloaded in under 1 second; it immediately appears when you click on it. It's blindingly fast. No surprise though, since it's just text. However, downloading thousands of messages per day that I don't intent to read is a waste of bandwidth. It's not so much about time, it's about volume. You and I do the same thing in the end. The difference is that you waste bandwidth, need to set up filters every time you subscribe to a new list, need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email anymore, need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed yet, and probably more I can't think of right now. So in the end, we end up doing the same thing, by I do it in a saner way that was designed to do exactly that. :) It appears it only has pros and no cons, so I don't see a reason to use email instead.