From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZYF9-0007wO-4t for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:21:15 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B238FE0BAF; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DBAE0BAF for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AD51B4006 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:20:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.087 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.488, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LPjrENkjJ+UC for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D93F1B4013 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NZYEa-0005mL-Th for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:20:40 +0100 Received: from athedsl-372291.home.otenet.gr ([79.131.6.65]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:20:40 +0100 Received: from realnc by athedsl-372291.home.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:20:40 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Nikos Chantziaras Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:20:21 +0200 Organization: Lucas Barks Message-ID: References: <201001252306.50516.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <201001252340.26141.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: athedsl-372291.home.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100122 Thunderbird/3.0.1 In-Reply-To: <201001252340.26141.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 56a23f10-72ce-4b08-9560-80c2ce9b1f24 X-Archives-Hash: b5dba9e5e583a4d338e2dcdfff2267f2 On 01/26/2010 12:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 01/26/2010 12:06 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>>>>> Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :) >>>>> >>>>> It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets... I >>>>> found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for >>>>> maintainers of KDE packages of various distros. For example Arch Linux >>>>> had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but >>>>> no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources >>>>> because they are "secret". >>>>> >>>>> Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)? >>>> >>>> There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks. >>>> >>>> The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could >>>> have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build >>>> a tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to >>>> distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries >>>> before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora. >>>> The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public >>>> does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to >>>> simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*. >>>> >>>> This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos >>>> thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I >>>> don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because >>>> sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows >>>> to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens. >>>> >>>> Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally >>>> available yet. >>> >>> no, the user erred in stupid unmasking. >> >> The user used the provided unmask file >> (Documentation/package.unmask/kde-4.4). >> > > before release. > > Gentoo has a proud tradition of providing the ebuilds before the software is > released so as soon as the tarballs hit the mirrors you can start compiling. > > If you unmask earlier and get errors you are the only person to blame. And besides, I unmasked for KDE 4.3.90 (RC1) which was released, not 4.3.95. But the provided unmask doesn't distinguish between them; it only specifies the :4.4 slot, not -4.3.90 version numbers. Perhaps you should first check that you know what you're talking about.