[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

KDE 4.3.95 has been put in the kde overlay three days ago.  However, 
fetching still fails even after three days.

Any place I can get the tarballs?  The manifests have checksums in them 
for all the tarballs, suggesting that they're available somewhere.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> KDE 4.3.95 has been put in the kde overlay three days ago.  However,
> fetching still fails even after three days.
>
> Any place I can get the tarballs?  The manifests have checksums in them for
> all the tarballs, suggesting that they're available somewhere.

I think 4.3.95 is KDE SC 4.4 RC2, so they probably hide them until the
official announcement. At least that's how it has happened in the
past. I think distro KDE maintainers have early access so they can
have them ready instantly when the announcement is made.

Last I saw, it should be released publically Friday (today) or
Saturday depending on time zone.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 01/22/2010 10:12 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>> KDE 4.3.95 has been put in the kde overlay three days ago.  However,
>> fetching still fails even after three days.
>>
>> Any place I can get the tarballs?  The manifests have checksums in them for
>> all the tarballs, suggesting that they're available somewhere.
>
> I think 4.3.95 is KDE SC 4.4 RC2, so they probably hide them until the
> official announcement. At least that's how it has happened in the
> past. I think distro KDE maintainers have early access so they can
> have them ready instantly when the announcement is made.
>
> Last I saw, it should be released publically Friday (today) or
> Saturday depending on time zone.

Well, according to upstream's schedule it should have been released 2 
days ago:

http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule#January_20th.2C_2010:_Release_KDE_SC_4.4_RC_2

I'm asking because for two days emerge -u world doesn't really work 
because of the failures in fetching.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:10:14 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> I'm asking because for two days emerge -u world doesn't really work 
> because of the failures in fetching.

If you add --keep-going, it updates everything but KDE.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> On 01/22/2010 10:12 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> KDE 4.3.95 has been put in the kde overlay three days ago.  However,
>>> fetching still fails even after three days.
>>>
>>> Any place I can get the tarballs?  The manifests have checksums in them
>>> for
>>> all the tarballs, suggesting that they're available somewhere.
>>
>> I think 4.3.95 is KDE SC 4.4 RC2, so they probably hide them until the
>> official announcement. At least that's how it has happened in the
>> past. I think distro KDE maintainers have early access so they can
>> have them ready instantly when the announcement is made.
>>
>> Last I saw, it should be released publically Friday (today) or
>> Saturday depending on time zone.
>
> Well, according to upstream's schedule it should have been released 2 days
> ago:
>
> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule#January_20th.2C_2010:_Release_KDE_SC_4.4_RC_2
>
> I'm asking because for two days emerge -u world doesn't really work because
> of the failures in fetching.

Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 01/25/2010 05:32 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>> On 01/22/2010 10:12 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>
>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>> KDE 4.3.95 has been put in the kde overlay three days ago.  However,
>>>> fetching still fails even after three days.
>>>>
>>>> Any place I can get the tarballs?  The manifests have checksums in them
>>>> for
>>>> all the tarballs, suggesting that they're available somewhere.
>>>
>>> I think 4.3.95 is KDE SC 4.4 RC2, so they probably hide them until the
>>> official announcement. At least that's how it has happened in the
>>> past. I think distro KDE maintainers have early access so they can
>>> have them ready instantly when the announcement is made.
>>>
>>> Last I saw, it should be released publically Friday (today) or
>>> Saturday depending on time zone.
>>
>> Well, according to upstream's schedule it should have been released 2 days
>> ago:
>>
>> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule#January_20th.2C_2010:_Release_KDE_SC_4.4_RC_2
>>
>> I'm asking because for two days emerge -u world doesn't really work because
>> of the failures in fetching.
>
> Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)

It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I 
found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for 
maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux 
had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but 
no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources 
because they are "secret".

Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
> 
> It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I 
> found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for 
> maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux 
> had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but 
> no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources 
> because they are "secret".
> 
> Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?

There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks. 

The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could have 
checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build a tarball 
from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to distros and 
mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries before making them 
available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora. The deal is that I get 
the rpms and debs two days before the public does. This is so that every 
official mirror on the planet is ready to simultaneously publish the release 
*all*at*the*same*time*.

This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos 
thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I don't 
have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because sharks bit the 
undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows to a crawl. I'm not 
making this up - stuff like this happens.

Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally 
available yet.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > > Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
> >
> > It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I
> > found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for
> > maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux
> > had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but
> > no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources
> > because they are "secret".
> >
> > Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?
> 
> There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks.
> 
> The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could
>  have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build a
>  tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to
>  distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries
>  before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora.
>  The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public does.
>  This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to
>  simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*.
> 
> This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos
> thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I don't
> have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because sharks bit
>  the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows to a crawl.
>  I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens.
> 
> Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally
> available yet.
> 

no, the user erred in stupid unmasking.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 01/26/2010 12:06 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>> Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
>>>
>>> It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I
>>> found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for
>>> maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux
>>> had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but
>>> no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources
>>> because they are "secret".
>>>
>>> Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?
>>
>> There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks.
>>
>> The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could
>>   have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build a
>>   tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to
>>   distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries
>>   before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora.
>>   The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public does.
>>   This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to
>>   simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*.
>>
>> This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos
>> thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I don't
>> have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because sharks bit
>>   the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows to a crawl.
>>   I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens.
>>
>> Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally
>> available yet.
>>
>
> no, the user erred in stupid unmasking.

The user used the provided unmask file 
(Documentation/package.unmask/kde-4.4).

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 01/26/2010 12:06 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>> Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
> >>>
> >>> It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I
> >>> found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for
> >>> maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux
> >>> had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but
> >>> no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources
> >>> because they are "secret".
> >>>
> >>> Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?
> >>
> >> There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks.
> >>
> >> The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could
> >>   have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build
> >> a tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to
> >> distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries
> >> before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora.
> >> The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public
> >> does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to
> >> simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*.
> >>
> >> This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos
> >> thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I
> >> don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because
> >> sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows
> >> to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens.
> >>
> >> Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally
> >> available yet.
> >
> > no, the user erred in stupid unmasking.
> 
> The user used the provided unmask file
> (Documentation/package.unmask/kde-4.4).
> 

before release.

Gentoo has a proud tradition of providing the ebuilds before the software is 
released so as soon as the tarballs hit the mirrors you can start compiling.

If you unmask earlier and get errors you are the only person to blame.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 01/26/2010 12:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 01/26/2010 12:06 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>> On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>> Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I
>>>>> found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for
>>>>> maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux
>>>>> had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but
>>>>> no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources
>>>>> because they are "secret".
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks.
>>>>
>>>> The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could
>>>>    have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build
>>>> a tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to
>>>> distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries
>>>> before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora.
>>>> The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public
>>>> does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to
>>>> simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*.
>>>>
>>>> This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos
>>>> thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I
>>>> don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because
>>>> sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows
>>>> to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens.
>>>>
>>>> Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally
>>>> available yet.
>>>
>>> no, the user erred in stupid unmasking.
>>
>> The user used the provided unmask file
>> (Documentation/package.unmask/kde-4.4).
>>
>
> before release.
>
> Gentoo has a proud tradition of providing the ebuilds before the software is
> released so as soon as the tarballs hit the mirrors you can start compiling.
>
> If you unmask earlier and get errors you are the only person to blame.

And you keep trolling.  All I said was that users who wish so should be 
able to access the same tarballs as the distro people, I didn't say it's 
Gentoo's fault; Alan said that, not me, so stop attacking me.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 26 January 2010 00:06:50 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > > > Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
> > >
> > > It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I
> > > found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for
> > > maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux
> > > had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but
> > > no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources
> > > because they are "secret".
> > >
> > > Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?
> >
> > There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks.
> >
> > The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could
> >  have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build a
> >  tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to
> >  distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries
> >  before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora.
> >  The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public
> > does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to
> > simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*.
> >
> > This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos
> > thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I
> > don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because
> > sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows
> > to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens.
> >
> > Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally
> > available yet.
> 
> no, the user erred in stupid unmasking.
> 

Yes, very true.

$PORTDIR/profiles/package.mask does usually clearly say stuff like

masking next kde version in preparation for release on <date>

or words to that effect


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 01/26/2010 12:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 01/26/2010 12:06 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>> On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>> Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets...  I
>>>>> found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for
>>>>> maintainers of KDE packages of various distros.  For example Arch Linux
>>>>> had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but
>>>>> no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources
>>>>> because they are "secret".
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)?
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks.
>>>>
>>>> The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could
>>>>    have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build
>>>> a tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to
>>>> distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries
>>>> before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora.
>>>> The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public
>>>> does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to
>>>> simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*.
>>>>
>>>> This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos
>>>> thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I
>>>> don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because
>>>> sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows
>>>> to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens.
>>>>
>>>> Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally
>>>> available yet.
>>>
>>> no, the user erred in stupid unmasking.
>>
>> The user used the provided unmask file
>> (Documentation/package.unmask/kde-4.4).
>>
>
> before release.
>
> Gentoo has a proud tradition of providing the ebuilds before the software is
> released so as soon as the tarballs hit the mirrors you can start compiling.
>
> If you unmask earlier and get errors you are the only person to blame.

And besides, I unmasked for KDE 4.3.90 (RC1) which was released, not 
4.3.95.  But the provided unmask doesn't distinguish between them; it 
only specifies the :4.4 slot, not -4.3.90 version numbers.

Perhaps you should first check that you know what you're talking about.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 26 January 2010 01:14:46 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> And you keep trolling.  All I said was that users who wish so should be 
> able to access the same tarballs as the distro people, I didn't say it's 
> Gentoo's fault; Alan said that, not me, so stop attacking me.
> 

brain fart on my end :-)

It's 1am and I'm having to deal with one of those Big Fucking Routers[1] from 
Cisco hammering my auth servers relentlessly. Trust me, Cisco's finest can 
easily outpace anything Dell builds.

[1] Yes, it really is called that. The follow-up model is called the 
Huge Fucking Router

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com