From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mk5gV-0001Bk-Ny for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:32:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 173F3E0B00; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE13E0B00 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A0466DDA for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:32:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.998 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.399, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5C+u2bWTv65k for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D349D66D9A for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Mk5gG-0006mi-0Z for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:32:32 +0200 Received: from athedsl-386504.home.otenet.gr ([79.131.61.198]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:32:32 +0200 Received: from realnc by athedsl-386504.home.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:32:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Nikos Chantziaras Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Kon Colivas is working again on a new scheduler for Desktop/Multimedia/Gaming PCs Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 03:32:07 +0300 Organization: Lucas Barks Message-ID: References: <200909060048.40378.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <200909060106.52526.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <200909060123.32535.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: athedsl-386504.home.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090826 Thunderbird/3.0b3 In-Reply-To: <200909060123.32535.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 22770f36-1aaf-4b2a-8d18-9ed29634c46c X-Archives-Hash: 6a48188914fd57ba948e95167c508802 On 09/06/2009 02:23 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Sonntag 06 September 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On Sunday 06 September 2009 00:48:40 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>>> Also, have you considered that you got it all backwards? The kernel >>>> configuration tells you that for lower latencies, you should use 1000Hz >>>> and PREEMPT. It even says "Desktop" right there. Why should I take >>>> your word over that of the kernel devs who actually wrote that code? >>> >>> low latency means bad throughput and that hurts IO. >> >> The average desktop user on Linux needs low latency. To get that, one must >> sacrifice some throughput efficiency. > > and then complain, that IO hurts? No one complains that IO hurts. Perhaps you aren't even reading. The complaints are about GUI stalls. Not slow IO. > btw, I think, I am an average user, doing the average stuff, and I am pretty > happy with 'voluntary preemption'. We are not. >> have you considered that there is a large population of users whose needs >> and workload are totally different from yours and therefore require >> something completely different to you? > > > yes, but I consider my workload average. Surfing the web, watching tv, watching > movies with xine/vlc/mplayer. Listening to music with amarok and alsaplayer. > Typing stuff. Sometimes skype. Burning a dvd once in a while. vegastrike, > ut2004, if I want to play a game. > > See? Average. > > Now 32 sound streams in ardour (or whatever tool you use for that), that is > hardly 'average'. Doesn't matter if it's not average. What does matter is that Linux is not up to the task while Windows and OS X are.