From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MZdxC-0008Ts-G3 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:54:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D2CE0366; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9DDE0366 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E22166F02 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:54:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.899 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FuTup1l7XSKK for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B1E66867 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MZdx0-0006yn-GT for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:54:38 +0000 Received: from 67-220-17-45.usiwireless.com ([67.220.17.45]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:54:38 +0000 Received: from grant.b.edwards by 67-220-17-45.usiwireless.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:54:38 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: DSL and AT&T. About time. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4A7CBC95.9030008@gmail.com> <4A7CD253.8070800@pythontoo.com> <4A7CE325.6040006@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67-220-17-45.usiwireless.com User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: ab6f0aea-deec-44c9-84d8-fcf565f08975 X-Archives-Hash: 314834c3224352dd80345c419afbb3ec On 2009-08-08, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 08/08/2009 05:29 AM, Dale wrote: > >> I had thought about picking up a Linksys router and putting it >> between my desktop and the modem. > > Your modem is probably a router anyway. Almost certainly (at least in the US). DSL modems with Ethernet interfaces almost always are routers/firewalls (and have been since way back when). It used to be common for Cable modems to be bridges, but that seems to be getting less common. > Furthermore, right now you're accessing the internet without > any form of protection anyway. If you're with dial-up, that > means you're connected directly to the internet. And don't > forget this is Linux, not Windows. > > Even without a firewall, remote break-in is highly improbable, > especially since you're not running any Apache or MySQL > servers on your machine (at least I assume you don't.) That's what I thought back when I was using dialup on a Linux box that didn't have any servers running. Then one day I got root-kitted. IMO, safely attaching a Linux machine directly to the Internet takes a fair bit of skill and lot of diligence. Safely attaching a Windows machine directly to the Internet is at least an order of magnitude more difficult. -- Grant