[gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Francisco Ares]

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Hi, guys,

After quite a long update list of packages (100+) and a reboot, I could not
work in any window or desktop manager I have installed.

I rebooted (the ACPI power switch worked fine) and managed to get
interactive action during the init scripts and did not allowed "xdm" to
start.

Then I was able to use normaly the keyboard and mouse ("gpm"). Forced
reinstall of xorg-server, xorg-drivers, xorg-cf-files, xdm, kdm (also, in my
case, nvidia-drivers) and tryed to use Window Maker - no mouse movements,
although the pointer was there, and no visible keyboard effect.

Any hints on how to get things back?

Thanks
Francisco

-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 08 May 2010 14:48:13 Francisco Ares wrote:
> Hi, guys,
> 
> After quite a long update list of packages (100+) and a reboot, I could not
> work in any window or desktop manager I have installed.
> 
> I rebooted (the ACPI power switch worked fine) and managed to get
> interactive action during the init scripts and did not allowed "xdm" to
> start.
> 
> Then I was able to use normaly the keyboard and mouse ("gpm"). Forced
> reinstall of xorg-server, xorg-drivers, xorg-cf-files, xdm, kdm (also, in
> my case, nvidia-drivers) and tryed to use Window Maker - no mouse
> movements, although the pointer was there, and no visible keyboard effect.
> 
> Any hints on how to get things back?

What version of xorg-server?
It gives an elog, did you read it?
What input driver?
If you upgraded to xorg-server-1.8, did you disable hal and enable udev?
Are you using the evdev driver?


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Dale]

Francisco Ares wrote:
> Hi, guys,
>
> After quite a long update list of packages (100+) and a reboot, I 
> could not work in any window or desktop manager I have installed.
>
> I rebooted (the ACPI power switch worked fine) and managed to get 
> interactive action during the init scripts and did not allowed "xdm" 
> to start.
>
> Then I was able to use normaly the keyboard and mouse ("gpm"). Forced 
> reinstall of xorg-server, xorg-drivers, xorg-cf-files, xdm, kdm (also, 
> in my case, nvidia-drivers) and tryed to use Window Maker - no mouse 
> movements, although the pointer was there, and no visible keyboard effect.
>
> Any hints on how to get things back?
>
> Thanks
> Francisco
>
> -- 
> "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then 
> you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and 
> I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have 
> two ideas." - George Bernard Shaw

I just went through the same thing.  I don't think xorg got updated but 
my X wouldn't start at all.  This may help you as it did me:

emerge -1a $(qlist -I -C x11-drivers/)

Hope this helps.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Francisco Ares]

On 5/8/10, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday 08 May 2010 14:48:13 Francisco Ares wrote:
>> Hi, guys,
>>
>> After quite a long update list of packages (100+) and a reboot, I could
>> not
>> work in any window or desktop manager I have installed.
>>
>> I rebooted (the ACPI power switch worked fine) and managed to get
>> interactive action during the init scripts and did not allowed "xdm" to
>> start.
>>
>> Then I was able to use normaly the keyboard and mouse ("gpm"). Forced
>> reinstall of xorg-server, xorg-drivers, xorg-cf-files, xdm, kdm (also, in
>> my case, nvidia-drivers) and tryed to use Window Maker - no mouse
>> movements, although the pointer was there, and no visible keyboard effect.
>>
>> Any hints on how to get things back?
>
> What version of xorg-server?
> It gives an elog, did you read it?
> What input driver?
> If you upgraded to xorg-server-1.8, did you disable hal and enable udev?
> Are you using the evdev driver?
>
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>

Yep, using evdev, and that seems to be the issue: there are log file
lines complaining about different versions:

(II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.6.5, module version = 2.3.2
        Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
        ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
(EE) module ABI major version (4) doesn't match server's version (7)

installed:
- xorg-drivers-1.7
- xorg-server-1.7.6
- xorg-x11-7.4-r1
- xorg-cf-files-1.0.3

I have just re-emerged them all, with no results.

Thanks
-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then
you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and
I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have
two ideas." - George Bernard Shaw

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 08 May 2010 16:01:18 Francisco Ares wrote:
> On 5/8/10, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday 08 May 2010 14:48:13 Francisco Ares wrote:
> >> Hi, guys,
> >> 
> >> After quite a long update list of packages (100+) and a reboot, I could
> >> not
> >> work in any window or desktop manager I have installed.
> >> 
> >> I rebooted (the ACPI power switch worked fine) and managed to get
> >> interactive action during the init scripts and did not allowed "xdm" to
> >> start.
> >> 
> >> Then I was able to use normaly the keyboard and mouse ("gpm"). Forced
> >> reinstall of xorg-server, xorg-drivers, xorg-cf-files, xdm, kdm (also,
> >> in my case, nvidia-drivers) and tryed to use Window Maker - no mouse
> >> movements, although the pointer was there, and no visible keyboard
> >> effect.
> >> 
> >> Any hints on how to get things back?
> > 
> > What version of xorg-server?
> > It gives an elog, did you read it?
> > What input driver?
> > If you upgraded to xorg-server-1.8, did you disable hal and enable udev?
> > Are you using the evdev driver?
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
> 
> Yep, using evdev, and that seems to be the issue: there are log file
> lines complaining about different versions:
> 
> (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>         compiled for 1.6.5, module version = 2.3.2
>         Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
>         ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
> (EE) module ABI major version (4) doesn't match server's version (7)
> 
> installed:
> - xorg-drivers-1.7
> - xorg-server-1.7.6
> - xorg-x11-7.4-r1
> - xorg-cf-files-1.0.3

Did you explicitly remerge the various drivers (video, evdev, etc).

xorg-drivers is just a meta package and won't remerge individual drivers 
unless the version number changes. It look to me like you have an evdev driver 
built against an earlier X server

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Francisco Ares]

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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Francisco Ares wrote:
>
>> Hi, guys,
>>
>> After quite a long update list of packages (100+) and a reboot, I could
>> not work in any window or desktop manager I have installed.
>>
>> I rebooted (the ACPI power switch worked fine) and managed to get
>> interactive action during the init scripts and did not allowed "xdm" to
>> start.
>>
>> Then I was able to use normaly the keyboard and mouse ("gpm"). Forced
>> reinstall of xorg-server, xorg-drivers, xorg-cf-files, xdm, kdm (also, in my
>> case, nvidia-drivers) and tryed to use Window Maker - no mouse movements,
>> although the pointer was there, and no visible keyboard effect.
>>
>> Any hints on how to get things back?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Francisco
>>
>> --
>> "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
>> and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
>> idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
>> George Bernard Shaw
>>
>
> I just went through the same thing.  I don't think xorg got updated but my
> X wouldn't start at all.  This may help you as it did me:
>
> emerge -1a $(qlist -I -C x11-drivers/)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
Thanks, Alan and Dale, now I am writing this in Firefox using a webmail
account.

That's why I love Linux: great tools and lots of helpful people around.

Thanks again
Francisco


-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
George Bernard Shaw

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[gentoo-user] Re: no mouse nor keyboard on X

[walt]

On 05/08/2010 07:01 AM, Francisco Ares wrote:


> Yep, using evdev, and that seems to be the issue: there are log file
> lines complaining about different versions:
>
> (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>          compiled for 1.6.5, module version = 2.3.2
>          Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
>          ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
> (EE) module ABI major version (4) doesn't match server's version (7)

That last line means you need to recompile xf86-input-evdev.

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Graham Murray]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:

> xorg-drivers is just a meta package and won't remerge individual drivers 
> unless the version number changes. It look to me like you have an evdev driver 
> built against an earlier X server

Does anyone else think it would be useful for emerge to have a switch to
make it re-emerge all of the individual packages making up a
meta-package? 'emerge metapackage' does not do enough and 'emerge -e
metapackage' will rebuild too much.Either that or a utility to split a
meta-package into its constituent parts, so you could have something
like 'emerge $(qsplit xorg-drivers)'. Though in the case of xorg-drivers
the recommended 'emerge $(qlist -IC xorg-drivers/)' works just as well,
but this is just pure luck as the required packages are in a single
category which contains no other packages.

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 08 May 2010 18:04:42 Graham Murray wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:
> > xorg-drivers is just a meta package and won't remerge individual drivers
> > unless the version number changes. It look to me like you have an evdev
> > driver built against an earlier X server
> 
> Does anyone else think it would be useful for emerge to have a switch to
> make it re-emerge all of the individual packages making up a
> meta-package? 'emerge metapackage' does not do enough and 'emerge -e
> metapackage' will rebuild too much.Either that or a utility to split a
> meta-package into its constituent parts, so you could have something
> like 'emerge $(qsplit xorg-drivers)'. Though in the case of xorg-drivers
> the recommended 'emerge $(qlist -IC xorg-drivers/)' works just as well,
> but this is just pure luck as the required packages are in a single
> category which contains no other packages.

You have a snowball's chance in hell of getting that into portage.

A major concern of the devs is getting portage to rebuild *less* stuff and to 
fix ebuilds yo rebuild *less* stuff and fix devs who don't grok it.

You are proposing the opposite.

I can predict the response you will get if you file a bug:

"Read the elog message"

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 08 May 2010 18:04:42 Graham Murray wrote:
>    
>> Alan McKinnon<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>  writes:
>>      
>>> xorg-drivers is just a meta package and won't remerge individual drivers
>>> unless the version number changes. It look to me like you have an evdev
>>> driver built against an earlier X server
>>>        
>> Does anyone else think it would be useful for emerge to have a switch to
>> make it re-emerge all of the individual packages making up a
>> meta-package? 'emerge metapackage' does not do enough and 'emerge -e
>> metapackage' will rebuild too much.Either that or a utility to split a
>> meta-package into its constituent parts, so you could have something
>> like 'emerge $(qsplit xorg-drivers)'. Though in the case of xorg-drivers
>> the recommended 'emerge $(qlist -IC xorg-drivers/)' works just as well,
>> but this is just pure luck as the required packages are in a single
>> category which contains no other packages.
>>      
> You have a snowball's chance in hell of getting that into portage.
>
> A major concern of the devs is getting portage to rebuild *less* stuff and to
> fix ebuilds yo rebuild *less* stuff and fix devs who don't grok it.
>
> You are proposing the opposite.
>
> I can predict the response you will get if you file a bug:
>
> "Read the elog message"
>
>    

You are right.  This has been discussed a few times on -dev and 
basically, it ain't going to happen.  I think it is a good idea myself 
since they have to be re-emerged for them to work anyway.  What 
difference does it make if portage does it for us or we do it manually, 
after finding that command to find out which ones to rebuild.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 09 May 2010 04:19:20 -0500, Dale wrote:

> You are right.  This has been discussed a few times on -dev and 
> basically, it ain't going to happen.  I think it is a good idea myself 
> since they have to be re-emerged for them to work anyway.  What 
> difference does it make if portage does it for us or we do it manually, 
> after finding that command to find out which ones to rebuild.

This could be solved with sets, a @need-rebuild set similar to
@preserved-rebuild. 

Sets also deal with the original suggestion, since re-emerging a set
rebuild all the components of the set, although not their dependencies,
unlike rebuilding a meta-package. Although this still can't do what was
asked for because a set will contain apps and not the libs they depend on.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

I'll never forget the 1st time I ran Windows, but I'm trying...

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Re: [gentoo-user] no mouse nor keyboard on X

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 09 May 2010 04:19:20 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> You are right.  This has been discussed a few times on -dev and
>> basically, it ain't going to happen.  I think it is a good idea myself
>> since they have to be re-emerged for them to work anyway.  What
>> difference does it make if portage does it for us or we do it manually,
>> after finding that command to find out which ones to rebuild.
>>      
> This could be solved with sets, a @need-rebuild set similar to
> @preserved-rebuild.
>
> Sets also deal with the original suggestion, since re-emerging a set
> rebuild all the components of the set, although not their dependencies,
> unlike rebuilding a meta-package. Although this still can't do what was
> asked for because a set will contain apps and not the libs they depend on.
>
>    

I actually created a xorg-drivers set for this.  At least I have 
something easier to type in rather than that somewhat small line of 
chicken scratch.  lol

I just hate trying to start X after a upgrade, it not starting and me 
usually with no clue as to why.  I ran into this the other day and I 
don't think xorg was even updated.  Still not sure why it failed but 
rebuilding those got it working again.

Dale

:-)  :-)