From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ML3Rf-0007ZD-Cd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 792CEE062C; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA93E062C for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB1164F78 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.483 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgsZlCby-cOS for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9E664F41 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ML3RK-0005I2-Rb for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:39 +0000 Received: from 67-220-17-45.usiwireless.com ([67.220.17.45]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:38 +0000 Received: from grante by 67-220-17-45.usiwireless.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:38 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <5bdc1c8b0906261533o43c3af6evf6c85f55bb8db76f@mail.gmail.com> <20090626190601.GA31758@zoidberg.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> <5bdc1c8b0906261618r61fa5907t76df3a904ccd2ba6@mail.gmail.com> <200906281401.14770.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20090628140405.0b29f7a7@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> <5bdc1c8b0906280912p55081637v68840d04f66b690e@mail.gmail.com> <20090628181342.3f2856fc@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> <20090628192020.09449363@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67-220-17-45.usiwireless.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Linux) Sender: news Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 51203ef2-d391-48d0-a385-d4f41929989b X-Archives-Hash: f93f5b78cfc32eb76e963a6fa701e8b4 On 2009-06-28, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:03:35 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > But anyone running a MythTV backend will have plenty of disk >> > space anyway, so an extra few MB of libs that are unused after >> > initial setup is hardly the end of the world :) >> >> It still grates on the engineering nerve a bit. ;) > > A curses setup program should please the frugal engineers, or would you > prefer to alter the MySQL table files with a hex editor? ;-) I usually do one of three things: 1) Type SQL commands. 2) Use Mythweb. 3) Run the setup program so that it displays on a different machine. That last option is clumsy, since it takes forever to start up, is sluggish once it is running, and I find the UI used by the setup programs to be obtuse: arrow, and enter keys never do what I expect them to (and I've been using Myth for 6+ years now). I think running the setup programs on the server is the wrong approach entirely. If I want a GUI setup program, I'd rather run it on a "normal" desktop/latpop machine with a decent resolution and a mouse. They've invented this thing called a "network" that lets a UI program on one computer talk to a database on another. It's pretty cool. Trying to do a GUI on a machine with a "desktop" that's 500x350 pixels and has no mouse/keyboard is always going to produce miserable results with widgets ending up completely off screen, unreadable fonts, and strings clipped to the point of being unintelligible. And indeed that's what you get get when you install MythTv an NTSC display with a normal amount of overscan. There was another MySQL table-editor UI that I tried once-upon-a-time, but it was pretty hard to get up and running, and not much easier than using 1) and 2). -- Grant