From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MFdDp-00034x-DT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0B7EE02D3; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DCEE02D3 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D73B65204 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -4.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.155 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.556, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rWPDiZjLWRBL for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AFE6530B for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MFdDc-0001g9-3A for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:04 +0000 Received: from adsl-69-234-202-135.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.202.135]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:04 +0000 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-202-135.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:05:04 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: walt Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Considering launching into Gentoo Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4A33A362.7070907@gmail.com> <200906131731.31867.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4A341B0B.7010303@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-202-135.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (X11; 2009061304) In-Reply-To: <4A341B0B.7010303@gmail.com> Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: ddadaf04-a93a-4746-ab22-832033682bc8 X-Archives-Hash: 4fdf5e2985d9d62d09b440266c188f75 bn wrote: > walt ha scritto: >> Ah, maybe that explains why I despise their package manager. >> >> When I was a Debian user I figured that the most basic of utilities >> should be easy to use -- and I'm only half joking. >> >> Just for fun I tried Ubuntu recently since it's been so popular the >> last few years. They built their system on top of a Debian base, >> including my nemesis, the Debian package management system :o( >> >> The Synaptics GUI front end for their package manager is a great deal >> easier than the original back end, true, but the basic bad design of >> the back end still glares through the eye candy. (Just my opinion.) >> >> I like gentoo's portage system so-o-o-o much better! > > As a user of both Debian-based and Gentoo systems, I am curious to know > what do you find so annoying about apt-get. Heh. I laughed out loud when I read this link about dselect, especially the quote from Andrew Morton who captured my sentiments exactly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dselect > Portage is more flexible probably, but apt-get, with an appropriate > frontend like Synaptics, is a piece of cake: in 99% of cases is click& > go. Yes, if gentoo ever disappears (God forbid) I would probably go back to Ubuntu because the Synaptics front end isn't too confusing. But I'm still annoyed by the idea that a binary package can be only 'partially installed', whatever that means. And why does a binary package need to be "configured", whatever that means? After I dropped dselect like a hot potato I used apt-get from the command line routinely. I recall that there were often conflicts between the newly downloaded packages and the old installed ones, leaving the machine in an undefined state for me to sort out however I could. Perhaps Debian has matured a bit since then -- I certainly hope so! > And surely it makes more sense to use than rpm, on the command line > (let alone the crazy Slackware guys :) ) I can barely remember using Red Hat, and I've never used Slackware, so I can't offer any comments either pro or con. It's me and gentoo til death do us part. And I hope I go first...