From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LQDze-0006ao-3u for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:50:10 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AF3DE0771; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC07E0771 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBF6645CF for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:50:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.388 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.211, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q7rGy83U8JTR for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BEF646C8 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LQDzP-0006v0-Hw for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:49:55 +0000 Received: from 67-220-10-117.usiwireless.com ([67.220.10.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:49:55 +0000 Received: from grante by 67-220-10-117.usiwireless.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:49:55 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: No /dev entries in recent stage3 snapshots? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1232524334.9583.13.camel@mymachine> <20090121155655.466edba0@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67-220-10-117.usiwireless.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Linux) Sender: news Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 9a9a4079-f726-4bf0-9484-41a0d1e618b4 X-Archives-Hash: 66cbdad3a2546a89fcfbc34bb9bf5f41 On 2009-01-21, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:50:17 +0000, Nick Cunningham wrote: > >>> But, that doesn't really solve the problem, since after a >>> reboot the /dev directory will be empty again and you end up >>> with problems such as no console during startup. > >> IIRC thats because /dev should be populated on startup by udev >> so i would check that udev is installed and working properly, >> if you use openrc then this could be the cause as openrc now >> starts udev through normal scripts i think, sometimes on >> upgrade from baselayout 1 they may not be automatically added >> to the right runlevels. > > You still need /dev/console in the dev directory of the root partition, > along with /dev/null. Try telling that to somebody in the Gentoo forum hiding behind the screen name "desultory". Sheesh. I reported the issue to the forum thread as requested by the article on www.gentoo.org, and I got a very hostile reaction. Bascially I got a snide, insulting response, a complete denial that there was a problem with the tarball in question, and a denial that either /dev/console or /dev/null is needed at boot time. That's the last time I waste my time with that forum. I should have known. Web forums all suck. Web forum UIs are all completely abominable, and they seem to be inhabited almost exclusively by surly, unjustifiably arrogant junior-high kids hiding behind stupid screen names and even worse avatars. > Anything else is a waste of disk space and inodes as the > static /dev/devices are hidden as soon as udev starts. Yup. > If the tarball doesn't contain /dev/console it is broken, but > it is also broken if it contains thousands of device entries. -- Grant