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From: Grant Taylor <gtaylor@gentoo.tnetconsulting.net>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] What is the best open-source VPN server for Linux?
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 12:20:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fea5575e-727b-16a2-77fa-711e7fd48b9d@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1992980.6RBP82CMcb@dell_xps>

On 04/06/2018 11:58 AM, Mick wrote:
> I think you mean IKEv2 + IPSec?

I don't remember IKE<anything> involved the last time I had to manually 
set up an IPSec connection between two Windows systems (or Windows and a 
Netgear router).  I think it was /completely/ manual and PSK.

> IKEv2 is used to exchange keys and IPSec is used to set up and encrypt the 
> tunnel itself.  The tunnel is operating at layer 2, so TCP/UDP/ICMP will 
> all be encrypted when sent through through the IPSec encrypted tunnel.

I remember doing a little bit with IKE 10+ years ago back when it was 
OpenSWAN / FreeSWAN.

> This is using L2TP for encapsulating the frames + IKEv1 for secure key 
> exchange + IPsec for encryption of the L2TP tunnel.

ACK

> Well said:

*chuckle*

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Tunneling_Protocol#Security
> 
> It is an obsolete method with poor security.  I would not use it under 
> any circumstances, unless security is of no importance.

Agreed.

> As I mentioned before, there is also IKEv2+IPSec, which allows the client 
> to roam between networks without dropping the connection.

Intriguing.  I've never considered IPSec with a road warrior, much less 
an established connection with a changing IP address.  I would have been 
much more likely to look at OpenVPN or Wireguard or OpenSSH.

> Finally, there is SSTP encrypting PPP frames within TLS.  I don't know 
> why one would use this instead of OpenVPN, except that it comes as part 
> of the MSWindows package, while OpenVPN has to be installed separately.

SSTP is a new one on me.

> +1
> 
> They are also easier to set up initially, because both MSWindows peers 
> will use the same combo of encryption suites, ciphers, etc.  Half of 
> the pain of getting MSWindows to work with a Linux VPN gateway is often 
> finding how to configure the cipher, hash and X509v3 extensions of a 
> TLS certificate in a way that MSWindows will not barf;  e.g. IIRC, last 
> time I looked at a Windows 7 IKEv2/IPSec VPN, the TLS certificates would 
> only accept AES128 keys and SHA1.  Anything more onerous would not be 
> accepted by the MSoft TLS key manager.

Agreed.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die


  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-06 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-04 20:18 [gentoo-user] [OT] What is the best open-source VPN server for Linux? gevisz
2018-04-04 22:02 ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-04 23:03   ` Mick
2018-04-05  9:57     ` gevisz
2018-04-05  9:51   ` gevisz
2018-04-05 10:28     ` gevisz
2018-04-05 11:51       ` Mick
2018-04-05 14:42         ` gevisz
2018-04-05 13:14       ` Bill Kenworthy
2018-04-05 14:51         ` gevisz
2018-04-05 22:45           ` Bill Kenworthy
2018-04-06 18:13             ` gevisz
2018-04-05 22:53           ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-05 16:29     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-05 21:04       ` gevisz
2018-04-05 23:10     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-06 17:55       ` gevisz
2018-04-07 12:19         ` Mick
2018-04-07 13:33           ` R0b0t1
2018-04-06 17:58       ` Mick
2018-04-06 18:20         ` Grant Taylor [this message]
2018-04-06 22:51           ` Mick
2018-04-06 23:21             ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-07  1:44         ` R0b0t1
2018-04-04 23:55 ` R0b0t1

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