[gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask this, but I need help finding a
chipset for an admitedly cheap tuner.

The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner (USB-powered). I
have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to find the chipset
for this card, but mostly just results on very specific cards.

All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
(USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very specific
cards.

All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
(USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very specific
cards.

All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
really.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Szénási István]

Hi!

I don't know if it helps, but I looked at the windows driver and it's
name (in the inf file) is "tridvid"
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Dan Farrell]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:45 -0500
forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:

> I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask this, but I need help
> finding a chipset for an admitedly cheap tuner.
> 
> The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner (USB-powered). I
> have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to find the chipset
> for this card, but mostly just results on very specific cards.
> 
> All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
> really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
> (USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
> find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very
> specific cards.
> 
> All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
> really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
> (USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
> find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very
> specific cards.
> 
> All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
> really.
> 

Have you looked at 'lsusb' output yet?  That usually gives data
relevant to the chipset (for example, what it is and who made it ;) )
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[W.Kenworthy]

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:25 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:45 -0500
> forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:
...
> 
> Have you looked at 'lsusb' output yet?  That usually gives data
> relevant to the chipset (for example, what it is and who made it ;) )

Also take the hhhh:hhhh hex number (see 413c:3010 below) that lsusb
spits out, and google that if lsusb itself gives unknown.  It basically
specifies the manufacturer and chipset/model.  lsbusb -v is also
helpful.

i.e.,
>lsusb
...
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:3010 Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse
...
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 08:43 Thu 27 Sep     , W.Kenworthy wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:25 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:45 -0500
> > forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > 
> > Have you looked at 'lsusb' output yet?  That usually gives data
> > relevant to the chipset (for example, what it is and who made it ;) )
> 
> Also take the hhhh:hhhh hex number (see 413c:3010 below) that lsusb
> spits out, and google that if lsusb itself gives unknown.  It basically
> specifies the manufacturer and chipset/model.  lsbusb -v is also
> helpful.
> 
> i.e.,
> >lsusb
> ...
> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:3010 Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse
> ...
> >
> 
> 
> 
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>

All great suggestions, except I'm hoping to see if it might work before
I buy it. I really don't like the prospect of spending money on hardware
just for things to turn out that it doesn't work in Linux.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 23:40 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:

> All great suggestions, except I'm hoping to see if it might work before
> I buy it. I really don't like the prospect of spending money on hardware
> just for things to turn out that it doesn't work in Linux.

take your laptop into the store.  Or if you don't have a laptop, take a
livecd with lsusb, lshw, etc. on it.  If they won't accommodate that,
shop somewhere else ;)

If you're buying online, find a local store that has the same card and
do the same thing.

If you don't have any local stores, ... um, post to this list!!

HTH!
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		-- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 15:15 Thu 27 Sep     , Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 23:40 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> 
> > All great suggestions, except I'm hoping to see if it might work before
> > I buy it. I really don't like the prospect of spending money on hardware
> > just for things to turn out that it doesn't work in Linux.
> 
> take your laptop into the store.  Or if you don't have a laptop, take a
> livecd with lsusb, lshw, etc. on it.  If they won't accommodate that,
> shop somewhere else ;)
> 
> If you're buying online, find a local store that has the same card and
> do the same thing.
> 
> If you don't have any local stores, ... um, post to this list!!
> 
> HTH!
> -- 
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> 
> I have defined the hundred per cent American as ninety-nine per cent an idiot.
> 		-- George Bernard Shaw
> 
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> 

Tomorrow I think I'll stop into a store or two and see what they carry.
I think I have a Knoppix disk somewhere, so I will try that.

BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that is
decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:

> BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that is
> decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.

Analogue or DVB? I've used a Freecom DVB dongle with Gentoo (amd64 and
ppc) and it worked well. For a cheap PCI card, the KWorld cards are
decent.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:59:18 +0100 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> 
> > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.
> 
> Analogue or DVB? I've used a Freecom DVB dongle with Gentoo (amd64 and
> ppc) and it worked well. For a cheap PCI card, the KWorld cards are
> decent.

Just a short warning: The US standards are a bit different... (but
KWorld has ATSC equipment, too, not just DVB).

And if commercial HDTV is to be received, special care has to be taken
that everything is HDMI compliant -- I think there are only hardware
based solutions to this problem, and it certainly won't be cheap -- at
least not <50USD, I think...

-hwh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 17:24 Thu 27 Sep     , Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:59:18 +0100 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > 
> > > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.
> > 
> > Analogue or DVB? I've used a Freecom DVB dongle with Gentoo (amd64 and
> > ppc) and it worked well. For a cheap PCI card, the KWorld cards are
> > decent.
> 
> Just a short warning: The US standards are a bit different... (but
> KWorld has ATSC equipment, too, not just DVB).
> 
> And if commercial HDTV is to be received, special care has to be taken
> that everything is HDMI compliant -- I think there are only hardware
> based solutions to this problem, and it certainly won't be cheap -- at
> least not <50USD, I think...
> 
> -hwh
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> 
>

I was hoping for Digital since analog will be going the way of the Dodo
in the next few years.

HDTV isn't going to be received since my monitor won't handle it
properly to start with.

I looked at a few KWorld cards online, and saw a few Happ. that were
less than 50US, but I'm going to do some more looking.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-09-27, Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> wrote:

> And if commercial HDTV is to be received, special care has to be taken
> that everything is HDMI compliant

Huh?  HDMI is the spec for the link to the display device (the
TV/Monitor).  It's got nothing at all to do with receiving
ATSC.

> -- I think there are only hardware based solutions to this
> problem, and it certainly won't be cheap -- at least not
> <50USD, I think...

For PCI, there's the PCHDTV cards designed especially for
Linux.  They start at $129.  There are some cheaper boards ones
out there as well.  I'm using an Ethernet widget that works
well <http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun> But
it was $179 the last time I looked.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Mark Shields]

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On 9/27/07, Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:59:18 +0100 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.
> >
> > Analogue or DVB? I've used a Freecom DVB dongle with Gentoo (amd64 and
> > ppc) and it worked well. For a cheap PCI card, the KWorld cards are
> > decent.
>
> Just a short warning: The US standards are a bit different... (but
> KWorld has ATSC equipment, too, not just DVB).
>
> And if commercial HDTV is to be received, special care has to be taken
> that everything is HDMI compliant -- I think there are only hardware
> based solutions to this problem, and it certainly won't be cheap -- at
> least not <50USD, I think...
>
> -hwh
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>
>
You say HDMI compliant - do you mean HDCP compliant?  That certainly makes
more sense in the context.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-09-28, Mark Shields <laebshade@gmail.com> wrote:

>> And if commercial HDTV is to be received, special care has to be taken
>> that everything is HDMI compliant -- I think there are only hardware
>> based solutions to this problem, and it certainly won't be cheap -- at
>> least not <50USD, I think...

> You say HDMI compliant - do you mean HDCP compliant?  That certainly makes
> more sense in the context.

Not really.  There's no need to do anything related to HDCP in
order to receive or view ATSC broadcasts.  The program stream
is broadcast OTA in the clear.  You can received it, process
it, and display it however you want.

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                                  at               DONE I think I'll wash it
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Patrick May]

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I missed this thread earlier, so pardon me commenting to the OP so far down
the thread.

> > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > >
> > > > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > > > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.

I'm currently using an air2pc card I picked up on eBay. I believe I paid
around $20-30US. It pulls in all OTA ATSC signals just fine. I can't speak for
it's abilities to work with QAM (Cable.) I'm controlling it with MythTV.

Though I do recommend a decent processor. I used to run an Athlon 850MHz and
it could not keep up with an HD (1080i, etc) signal. It will dump the stream
to disk, just not display it (slow, pauses, etc.) 

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 08:31 Fri 28 Sep     , Patrick May wrote:
> I missed this thread earlier, so pardon me commenting to the OP so far down
> the thread.
> 
> > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > > > > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.
> 
> I'm currently using an air2pc card I picked up on eBay. I believe I paid
> around $20-30US. It pulls in all OTA ATSC signals just fine. I can't speak for
> it's abilities to work with QAM (Cable.) I'm controlling it with MythTV.
> 
> Though I do recommend a decent processor. I used to run an Athlon 850MHz and
> it could not keep up with an HD (1080i, etc) signal. It will dump the stream
> to disk, just not display it (slow, pauses, etc.) 
> 
> Patrick

I'm doing some looking and think I'm going to blow my budget and get a
Haup. PVR-150, which I know is supported.

Thanks for all of your help everyone.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Patrick May]

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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 03:43:52PM -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> On 08:31 Fri 28 Sep     , Patrick May wrote:
> > I missed this thread earlier, so pardon me commenting to the OP so far down
> > the thread.
> > 
> > > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > > > > > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.
> > 
> > I'm currently using an air2pc card I picked up on eBay. I believe I paid
> > around $20-30US. It pulls in all OTA ATSC signals just fine. I can't speak for
> > it's abilities to work with QAM (Cable.) I'm controlling it with MythTV.
> > 
> > Though I do recommend a decent processor. I used to run an Athlon 850MHz and
> > it could not keep up with an HD (1080i, etc) signal. It will dump the stream
> > to disk, just not display it (slow, pauses, etc.) 
> > 
> > Patrick
> 
> I'm doing some looking and think I'm going to blow my budget and get a
> Haup. PVR-150, which I know is supported.
> 
> Thanks for all of your help everyone.
> 
If you are planning to watch over the air (not cable) remember that analog
will go off air on Feb 17, 2009. A little less than 17 months from now.

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 16:32 Fri 28 Sep     , Patrick May wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 03:43:52PM -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > On 08:31 Fri 28 Sep     , Patrick May wrote:
> > > I missed this thread earlier, so pardon me commenting to the OP so far down
> > > the thread.
> > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:00:33 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW, if anyone knows of a cheap tuner card (<50US preferably) that
> > > > > > > is decent and works with either PCI/USB/AGP, I would love to know.
> > > 
> > > I'm currently using an air2pc card I picked up on eBay. I believe I paid
> > > around $20-30US. It pulls in all OTA ATSC signals just fine. I can't speak for
> > > it's abilities to work with QAM (Cable.) I'm controlling it with MythTV.
> > > 
> > > Though I do recommend a decent processor. I used to run an Athlon 850MHz and
> > > it could not keep up with an HD (1080i, etc) signal. It will dump the stream
> > > to disk, just not display it (slow, pauses, etc.) 
> > > 
> > > Patrick
> > 
> > I'm doing some looking and think I'm going to blow my budget and get a
> > Haup. PVR-150, which I know is supported.
> > 
> > Thanks for all of your help everyone.
> > 
> If you are planning to watch over the air (not cable) remember that analog
> will go off air on Feb 17, 2009. A little less than 17 months from now.
> 
> Patrick

Thats why I was looking for something else, but I ended up getting a
WinTV-PVR-150 today. It wasn't too expensive, and I was able to get it
(mostly) working for awhile. Oddly enough, since trying it with mythtv,
it doesn't seem to want to work anymore, which is highly annoying since
the thing took me about 2-3 hours to get to operate (requiring a few
kernel recompiles and some firmware-hunting).

Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I can get a
converter, or afford to buy a better card.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:

> Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
> can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.

If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
they want.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 13:41 Sat 29 Sep     , Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
> > can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.
> 
> If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
> are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
> they want.
> 
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>                                   at               BUY-BACK PROVISIONS
>                                visi.com            with at least six studio
>                                                    SLEAZEBALLS!!
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> 
> 

Good to know. Right now I'm down to finding a working app (mplayer only
seems to work so far, and it doesn't seem to work quite right).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Patrick May]

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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 03:17:14PM -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> On 13:41 Sat 29 Sep     , Grant Edwards wrote:
> > On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
> > > can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.
> > 
> > If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
> > are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
> > they want.
> > 
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> >                                   at               BUY-BACK PROVISIONS
> >                                visi.com            with at least six studio
> >                                                    SLEAZEBALLS!!
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> Good to know. Right now I'm down to finding a working app (mplayer only
> seems to work so far, and it doesn't seem to work quite right).

Grant is correct. The digital switch only applies to OTA (Over the Air). Cable
operators could do whatever they want.

Not sure why the PVR-150 isn't just working out of the box for you. I know
there were some complaints about Hauppauge quietly putting another device in
the box. And that's because of the switch over. As of March 1, 2007
manufacturers had to include a digital tuner if they included an analog tuner.
This included computer interface cards as well. I believe the new Hauppauge is
a PVR-1600 with dual tuner (NTSC & ATSC).

Good luck.

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 23:25 Sat 29 Sep     , Patrick May wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 03:17:14PM -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
> > On 13:41 Sat 29 Sep     , Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard <phrexianreaper@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
> > > > can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.
> > > 
> > > If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
> > > are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
> > > they want.
> > > 
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> > >                                   at               BUY-BACK PROVISIONS
> > >                                visi.com            with at least six studio
> > >                                                    SLEAZEBALLS!!
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Good to know. Right now I'm down to finding a working app (mplayer only
> > seems to work so far, and it doesn't seem to work quite right).
> 
> Grant is correct. The digital switch only applies to OTA (Over the Air). Cable
> operators could do whatever they want.
> 
> Not sure why the PVR-150 isn't just working out of the box for you. I know
> there were some complaints about Hauppauge quietly putting another device in
> the box. And that's because of the switch over. As of March 1, 2007
> manufacturers had to include a digital tuner if they included an analog tuner.
> This included computer interface cards as well. I believe the new Hauppauge is
> a PVR-1600 with dual tuner (NTSC & ATSC).
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Patrick

It seems to work. Using at and cat, I can record TV shows (needs a bit
of work to make sure everything is scripted right, but I'm working on
that). That along with mplayer target_file.mpg, I can watch and record
at the same time, and mplayer /dev/video0 works for straight TV.

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