[gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Denis]

What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
command-line player.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Ken]

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Denis wrote:
> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> command-line player.
> 
> Thanks.
I gotta give a recommendation for Amarok. It is a kde package so it
might not be what you had in mind, but it is a great music player.
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Denis]

I'll have a look at Amarok.  Was XMMS removed for licensing issues?
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[darren kirby]

quoth the Denis:
> I'll have a look at Amarok.  Was XMMS removed for licensing issues?

No. It's because the code is old and unmaintained. If I had the skill I would 
pick it up myself, but sadly I don't know what the heck I'm doing with it...I 
am very surprised that someone has not done this as there seems to be a lot 
of "take xmms out of my cold dead hands" sort of folks out there.

I am in the same boat as you, I tried audacious as a replacement but it just 
wasn't working for me. I have many playlists with 1000+ songs on them, and 
audacious seems to choke on them. When it doesn't outright crash the 
interface freezes when I scroll the playlist and it reads the id3 tags. Makes 
it all but unusable for me. 

Amarok isn't my cup of tea either. I wrote my own scripts to organize my 
music, and create playlists, and amarok seems to want to organize my tunes 
for me. Ugh. To be fair I have not delved too deeply into all the options. 
Perhaps there is a way to turn it into an xmms/audacious clone. 

Perhaps xmms2 (which moves to a client/server approach) may have a similar 
lightweight client to the old xmms. Running a server to simply play tunes 
does seem like overkill to me though... 

I'll likely get shouted down for this, but when they removed xmms from the 
tree I simply deleted xmms and related packages from my world file without 
actually uninstalling them. You can get away with this with emerge, but not 
paludis.

So: I still use xmms, but it will be a version frozen in time for all 
eternity. Sigh.

-d
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Monday 04 June 2007 23:40:44 darren kirby wrote:
> > Was XMMS removed for licensing issues?
>
> No. It's because the code is old and unmaintained. If I had the skill I
> would pick it up myself, but sadly I don't know what the heck I'm doing
> with it...

I'd rather say it's unmaintainable. People have tried and failed. It was kept 
in the tree for years literally after it became unmaintainable because people 
were trying. And the bugs have piled up during that period..

> I am very surprised that someone has not done this as there seems 
> to be a lot of "take xmms out of my cold dead hands" sort of folks out
> there.

What surprises me is that no-one has put it in a dedicated overlay and 
announced it for use with layman (the zugaina overlay does have it but I 
think it contains so much other crap too that I cannot recommend using that).

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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Andrew MacKenzie]

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+++ Denis [gentoo-user] [Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 05:26:09PM -0400]:
> I'll have a look at Amarok.  Was XMMS removed for licensing issues?
XMMS was removed due to it being no longer maintained I believe.

I was also a huge XMMS fan and switched to Audacious.  But it's so slow and
buggy that I've converted to Amarok. 

Amarok is *not* an XMMS replacement though and fanbois suggesting it to
ex-xmms users should note that (it's like suggesting a hummer to somebody
looking for a compact).

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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Dan Farrell]

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:00:51 -0400
Ken <ken69267@gmail.com> wrote:

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> Denis wrote:
> > What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really
> > liked the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off
> > portage. Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it
> > seems more fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but
> > on this box, I am just having no luck getting it to run without
> > errors (won't read audio CD, master volume control is not
> > functional, playlist errors on start-up... )  I'm looking for
> > something with a GUI rather than a command-line player.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> I gotta give a recommendation for Amarok. It is a kde package so it
> might not be what you had in mind, but it is a great music player.

Amarok is feature-rich, but heavy indeed.  I don't recommend it for a
drop-in XMMS replacement.  If you like the idea of editing mp3 tags and
organzing your music really nicely, browsing it 3 different ways and
seeing cover art from amazon.com and such, amarok is for you.  

But if you like xmms, maybe before you try to find more alternatives
you'll consider trying to compile and install it from downloaded
sources, manually.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Ken]

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Dan Farrell wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:00:51 -0400
> Ken <ken69267@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Denis wrote:
>>> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really
>>> liked the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off
>>> portage. Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it
>>> seems more fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but
>>> on this box, I am just having no luck getting it to run without
>>> errors (won't read audio CD, master volume control is not
>>> functional, playlist errors on start-up... )  I'm looking for
>>> something with a GUI rather than a command-line player.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>> I gotta give a recommendation for Amarok. It is a kde package so it
>> might not be what you had in mind, but it is a great music player.
> 
> Amarok is feature-rich, but heavy indeed.  I don't recommend it for a
> drop-in XMMS replacement.  If you like the idea of editing mp3 tags and
> organzing your music really nicely, browsing it 3 different ways and
> seeing cover art from amazon.com and such, amarok is for you.  
> 
> But if you like xmms, maybe before you try to find more alternatives
> you'll consider trying to compile and install it from downloaded
> sources, manually.  

What about XMMS2? It's not in portage but I thought it was designed to
fix all the flaws of the original XMMS. I have not tried it so I can't
say for sure if its even remotely the same as the old XMMS.
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Denis]

> Amarok is feature-rich, but heavy indeed.  I don't recommend it for a
> drop-in XMMS replacement.  If you like the idea of editing mp3 tags and
> organzing your music really nicely, browsing it 3 different ways and
> seeing cover art from amazon.com and such, amarok is for you.

Ha...  yea, my use flags have "-gnome" and "-kde" in them, and I run a
very simple fluxbox environment...  I just want the music player to
have a decent graphical interface, but just the essential features,
without bloat.

It seems like I got the Audacious to work...  But I still miss the XMMS ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Dienstag, 5. Juni 2007, Denis wrote:
> > Amarok is feature-rich, but heavy indeed.  I don't recommend it for a
> > drop-in XMMS replacement.  If you like the idea of editing mp3 tags and
> > organzing your music really nicely, browsing it 3 different ways and
> > seeing cover art from amazon.com and such, amarok is for you.
>
> Ha...  yea, my use flags have "-gnome" and "-kde" in them, and I run a
> very simple fluxbox environment...  I just want the music player to
> have a decent graphical interface, but just the essential features,
> without bloat.
>
> It seems like I got the Audacious to work...  But I still miss the XMMS ;-)

alsaplayer?

it is small, fast, you can run douzends of instances at the same time. Play 
forwards, backwards, at a lot of different speeds - and it has even a 
playlist.
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[vladimir]

try media-sound/moc - "Music On Console - ncurses interface for
playing audio files"
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Denis]

On 6/5/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> alsaplayer?
>
> it is small, fast, you can run douzends of instances at the same time. Play
> forwards, backwards, at a lot of different speeds - and it has even a
> playlist.

I did want to try the alsaplayer, but when I try to emerge it, portage
says it's masked:

[code]
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "alsaplayer" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- media-sound/alsaplayer-0.99.77-r1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
[/code]
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Stratos Psomadakis]

O/H Denis έγραψε:
> On 6/5/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin
> <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
>> alsaplayer?
>>
>> it is small, fast, you can run douzends of instances at the same
>> time. Play
>> forwards, backwards, at a lot of different speeds - and it has even a
>> playlist.
>
> I did want to try the alsaplayer, but when I try to emerge it, portage
> says it's masked:
>
> [code]
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "alsaplayer" have been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
> - media-sound/alsaplayer-0.99.77-r1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> [/code]
open up a terminal,become root and write:
#echo "media-sound/alsaplayer  ~x86">>/etc/portage/package.keywords
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Stratos Psomadakis]

O/H Denis έγραψε:
> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> command-line player.
>
> Thanks.
i can think only of amarok,but it's very 'heavy'...
maybe you could find a nice gui client for mpd...

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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Peter Weller]

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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:05:41 +0300
"Stratos Psomadakis" <el05007@mail.ntua.gr> wrote:

> O/H Denis έγραψε:
> > What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really
> > liked the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off
> > portage. Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it
> > seems more fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but
> > on this box, I am just having no luck getting it to run without
> > errors (won't read audio CD, master volume control is not
> > functional, playlist errors on start-up... )  I'm looking for
> > something with a GUI rather than a command-line player.
> >
> > Thanks.
> i can think only of amarok,but it's very 'heavy'...
> maybe you could find a nice gui client for mpd...
> 
How about using gmpc as a GTK+ frontend to mpd?
http://www.musicpd.org/gmpc.shtml

Never tried myself, though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Jed R. Mallen]

On 6/5/07, Denis <denis.che@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> command-line player.
>
> Thanks.

* media-sound/bmpx
     Available versions:  ~0.36.1
     Homepage:            http://www.beep-media-player.org
     Description:         Next generation Beep Media Player

Although I prefer mplayer console on most of my multimedia needs, I've
been using bmp on my old Debian box and it works okay with a nice
xmms-like feel to it.

I use mplayer on the console on Gentoo.

I think bmpx [http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/BMPx_Homepage]
looks different from its predecessor though. Haven't tried it yet.

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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Edgar Contreras]

I just downloaded myself and compiled it.... I couldn't find a replacement ....

On 6/4/07, Denis <denis.che@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> command-line player.
>
> Thanks.
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>
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Henk Boom]

On 04/06/07, Denis <denis.che@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> command-line player.

I had a similar issue, though the reason I had for not liking
audacious had more to do with it's atrocious memory usage. I
eventually settled on MPD (music player daemon) coupled with Sonata.
MPD requires a small amount of setup, but it's really nice and light.
Sonata is a simple GTK client which seems pretty quick and light, but
AFAIK doesn't do a couple of things which I don't really need (like EQ
controls).

Plus you can control MPD from a command line or script in a pinch
using netcat, without even having the UI open. =)

    Henk Boom
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Jean-Baptiste Mestelan]

Not sure if you will like these, but did you try :
- quodlibet,
- exaile ?

Cheers !

On 6/4/07, Denis <denis.che@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> command-line player.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to audacious?

[Jean-Baptiste Mestelan]

More precisely, I meant :
http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet
http://www.exaile.org/

Also, Wikipedia is astonishingly knowledgeable about audio players, these days :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_media_players#Audio_players.07UNIQ4f732286383f389d-nowiki-00000199-QINU1.07UNIQ4f732286383f389d-nowiki-0000019A-QINU

Hope this helps.


On 6/6/07, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan <mestelan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if you will like these, but did you try :
> - quodlibet,
> - exaile ?
>
> Cheers !
>
> On 6/4/07, Denis <denis.che@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What are some alternatives to Audacious mp3/CD player?  I really liked
> > the old XMMS and used it right up until it was taken off portage.
> > Audacious seems to resemble XMMS closely enough, but it seems more
> > fragile.  I have it working well on one gentoo box, but on this box, I
> > am just having no luck getting it to run without errors (won't read
> > audio CD, master volume control is not functional, playlist errors on
> > start-up... )  I'm looking for something with a GUI rather than a
> > command-line player.
> >
> > Thanks.
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> >
> >
>
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