From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 066341382C5 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7128E0BC1; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BFCE0B78 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id t74so10644583wme.3 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:52:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6yovtG7J3JDgvXSjKEUsJDNTDFdPq5ygI5bt+R1vo/c=; b=lK3wHi6O7VluZNws0jMvaM9kY+7UgFHPRK0oWq+eHeBo0emHIjxZBqtVPvPpPHwlsu Qk6BfT6hf5nZH39GfOuRGYBXg/Sy/NzjVdUcdf8EfZj6+EL2mwEhu4hCHIjVodW03Bm+ 7EigXvSf/yUU+ZMmEVzkDR82fZWR5IwKpZH4di3us1O5Iw4b8dEIskoiTo0CHsFqtI4I Y++LWQcqF8O8o9iFxphYgsd80eiUgDQ2Yos5kABqqSejSS/MUDlYm8bGtNv1/KBPifsP gziNyZnMCHLe7CYah+CMykj8l5QVMorZc7Sdr3t4SYcZuYb3SRVutR1aA85oGuq/4oI+ SpZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6yovtG7J3JDgvXSjKEUsJDNTDFdPq5ygI5bt+R1vo/c=; b=ipaP/ad7IAkWLA8uzeHvfXLDWw2XbGZV+B6QIt0hu/Mxd321xhuzMEXpJjLS1Dk9xy uIlqge36kEofRKNsTeXaeqEf0MCdl6RVQivnqr8xQm5iQ3oakHPTIshYEnKlSHqBtRIB J5kiOjjhgKE8zABfbB96pHqm9o7vwnbKBPmyRGSMRnaDNpufH/DsRfNLy7/l+CQ15dZm HFYNqcZJyWf07rqv4XwgqSy0XE8vaWlroJHrS9b/5ZC5b+FoVYOynOT1tk+lGqPa147S UqMt1712G03Xv/MoYJXqKFOdZuwGCA1okMMRn5xnwwqpMef32swb3dvEVwSAC3a4RwEr vQaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfL5AeE+VFrlp0JtTMyFzJew4sYQeGbTtHbBXjzHF9YixkMY8FE gj2p57UWSBU9cI4q6aj0JIyDKLGI X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227WwOSXw9NzFtpyhJbMzla4t7AIMn2hLlv3xkLIQnqjFotbKlIJRL0yKKgT5Ib4pF0JQkv1pw== X-Received: by 10.80.244.226 with SMTP id v31mr65786317edm.221.1517557949908; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from khamul.localdomain ([209.212.109.4]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z49sm1101044edd.93.2018.02.01.23.52.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:52:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] A little help for non-native English speakers To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <2979311.yKovLQH099@peak> <20180201185530.592dfe59@digimed.co.uk> <20180201225214.GA9390@kern> <20180202074736.GC5438@tp> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:46:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180202074736.GC5438@tp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 4b297a91-327e-4035-8b94-a1fe65457abf X-Archives-Hash: f6c30bd76b2f28119708b1c9980b8e07 On 02/02/2018 09:47, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 09:34:06AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >>> PS.: As a non-native, I always found e.g. and i.e. easy to keep apart >>> because when you say "e.g." as a word without the dots, it becomes "eg", >>> which, phonetically, is the start of the word "example". >>> >> >> As a native English speaker I can never remember the precedence rules >> about its and it's... > > That is quite easy: the ’ *always* means something has been left out. "It’s" > it its unrolled form means It is. Once you start reading it aloud as such, > you will quickly get the hang of it. Try it, it is such fun. I did say I can't remember the rules, not that I don't understand them :-) I do remember there, their and they're though, that one gives many folks trouble. Of late I've decided that human languages are fuzzy, redundant and meaning can usually be determined from context. Not 100%, but usually close. And now I don't care any more. Except "revert". That one still grates me; it is not "reply" > >> I vote we dump English in it's entirety and all switch to Python > > How do you pronounce indentation? Like so: "tab tab space" -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com