[gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[zhangweiwu]

 I always wonder if I can run firefox multi-process instead of
multi-threads. I hate to see the browser hang trying to open a huge
webpage (>10MB) and that's frequent case in China.
Usually at such case I have to lanuch a different browser  (e.g.
epiphany) in order to keep browsing during loading  the big page in Fx.
And I think, if fx is itself multi-processed, then each tab  or window I
open is a process, then it is pretty much alike that I open eiphany when
firefox is busy. It should work better.

If this is not possible just with a USE flag, is there a browser that
works in Gentoo and is designed to be mult-process?

I only know safari is multi-process (per window) but it doesn't work on
Gentoo.

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 15 Februar 2009, zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:
>  I always wonder if I can run firefox multi-process instead of
> multi-threads. I hate to see the browser hang trying to open a huge
> webpage (>10MB) and that's frequent case in China.
> Usually at such case I have to lanuch a different browser  (e.g.
> epiphany) in order to keep browsing during loading  the big page in Fx.
> And I think, if fx is itself multi-processed, then each tab  or window I
> open is a process, then it is pretty much alike that I open eiphany when
> firefox is busy. It should work better.
>
> If this is not possible just with a USE flag, is there a browser that
> works in Gentoo and is designed to be mult-process?
>
> I only know safari is multi-process (per window) but it doesn't work on
> Gentoo.

konqueror

it is better than ff anyway.

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Joshua Murphy]

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:57 PM,  <zhangweiwu@realss.com> wrote:
>  I always wonder if I can run firefox multi-process instead of
> multi-threads. I hate to see the browser hang trying to open a huge
> webpage (>10MB) and that's frequent case in China.
> Usually at such case I have to lanuch a different browser  (e.g.
> epiphany) in order to keep browsing during loading  the big page in Fx.
> And I think, if fx is itself multi-processed, then each tab  or window I
> open is a process, then it is pretty much alike that I open eiphany when
> firefox is busy. It should work better.
>
> If this is not possible just with a USE flag, is there a browser that
> works in Gentoo and is designed to be mult-process?
>
> I only know safari is multi-process (per window) but it doesn't work on
> Gentoo.
>
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> Mobile: 159 1111 7382
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Google Chrome's another that has this wonderful feature... and doesn't
run on Linux (yet).

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Jason Weisberger]

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An interesting project that has come up is called Crossover Chromium, which
is a specially packaged version of Chrome and Wine, but yeah in the meantime
Konqueror does a pretty good job even if it does render slightly differently
on my system.

On Feb 14, 2009 11:11 PM, "Joshua Murphy" <poisonbl@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:57 PM, <zhangweiwu@realss.com> wrote: > I always
wonder if I can run fi...
Google Chrome's another that has this wonderful feature... and doesn't
run on Linux (yet).

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Philip Webb]

090215 zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:
> Can I run firefox multi-process instead of multi-threads.
> I hate to see the browser hang trying to open a huge webpage ( > 10 MB )

A work-around is to download the file with Wget or Lynx,
then open the result with Firefox after it has all arrived.

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[zhangweiwu]

Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb:
> konqueror
> 
> it is better than ff anyway.

Are you sure it runs multi-process?

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[zhangweiwu]

Philip Webb schrieb:
> 090215 zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:
>> Can I run firefox multi-process instead of multi-threads.
>> I hate to see the browser hang trying to open a huge webpage ( > 10 MB )
> 
> A work-around is to download the file with Wget or Lynx,
> then open the result with Firefox after it has all arrived.

Yes, but then you already know the page is >10MB, right? Usually such
devil come as a surprise when you click open a google search result.

I don't know if in China network is specially boardband otherwise how to
explain the forums dare to allow dozens of hi-res photo posted in-line
of messages and web designers dare to design websites with a front page
of more than 3MB (e.g. our local tax office website contain huge picture
and flash on the front-page with several hundreds of links on it).

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:27:08 +0800
zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:

> I don't know if in China network is specially boardband otherwise how to
> explain the forums dare to allow dozens of hi-res photo posted in-line
> of messages and web designers dare to design websites with a front page
> of more than 3MB (e.g. our local tax office website contain huge picture
> and flash on the front-page with several hundreds of links on it).

You can use on-demand loading for such content with firefox plugins
like flashblock - it'll load flash only when you click on it. I bet
there are plenty such plugins for images, as well.

Also, you might consider disabling firefox cache (which I find quite
slow) at all, using a proxy (like squid) to cache such a large static
objects - it'll do much better job w/o any burden on your resources.
Besides, it can cache static for whole your network, or communicate
with other local proxies, taking advantage of their caches to speed up
loading.

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:27:08 +0800
zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:

> I don't know if in China network is specially boardband otherwise how to
> explain the forums dare to allow dozens of hi-res photo posted in-line
> of messages and web designers dare to design websites with a front page
> of more than 3MB (e.g. our local tax office website contain huge picture
> and flash on the front-page with several hundreds of links on it).

Oh, and I've forgot to mention one trick, besides flashblock, to defend
against cpu-intensive animation: disable animated gifs!
I've noticed that large gifs can eat more CPU than this useless flash,
and disabling them won't really degrade anything.

Try setting 'image.animation_mode' (string) to 'none' in 'about:config'.

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 08:14:28 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:27:08 +0800
>
> zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:
> > I don't know if in China network is specially boardband otherwise how
> > to explain the forums dare to allow dozens of hi-res photo posted
> > in-line of messages and web designers dare to design websites with a
> > front page of more than 3MB (e.g. our local tax office website contain
> > huge picture and flash on the front-page with several hundreds of links
> > on it).
>
> You can use on-demand loading for such content with firefox plugins
> like flashblock - it'll load flash only when you click on it. I bet
> there are plenty such plugins for images, as well.

I'll put a word in here for the NoScript and AdBlock extensions to Firefox. 
I'd imagine those are more-or-less essential in China - I certainly 
wouldn't like to be without them even here in UK.

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 15 Februar 2009, zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb:
> > konqueror
> >
> > it is better than ff anyway.
>
> Are you sure it runs multi-process?

yes (without tabs I am sure)

and with tabs, even when one tab is hanging, the others go on (at least with 
kde4.2).

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 15 Februar 2009, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 15 February 2009 08:14:28 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:27:08 +0800
> >
> > zhangweiwu@realss.com wrote:
> > > I don't know if in China network is specially boardband otherwise how
> > > to explain the forums dare to allow dozens of hi-res photo posted
> > > in-line of messages and web designers dare to design websites with a
> > > front page of more than 3MB (e.g. our local tax office website contain
> > > huge picture and flash on the front-page with several hundreds of links
> > > on it).
> >
> > You can use on-demand loading for such content with firefox plugins
> > like flashblock - it'll load flash only when you click on it. I bet
> > there are plenty such plugins for images, as well.
>
> I'll put a word in here for the NoScript and AdBlock extensions to Firefox.
> I'd imagine those are more-or-less essential in China - I certainly
> wouldn't like to be without them even here in UK.

of course konqueror can block ads and scripts without 'extensions' ....

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Sunday 15 February 2009, 05:10, Joshua Murphy wrote:

> Google Chrome's another that has this wonderful feature... and doesn't
> run on Linux (yet).

And even when it will, I bet it would be under wine.

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Sebastian Günther]

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* Volker Armin Hemmann (volkerarmin@googlemail.com) [15.02.09 15:45]:
> 
> of course konqueror can block ads and scripts without 'extensions' ....
> 

Well, since you have to install most of the kde stuff *and* mysql: 
definetly a no go...

Sebastian

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 15 Februar 2009, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> * Volker Armin Hemmann (volkerarmin@googlemail.com) [15.02.09 15:45]:
> > of course konqueror can block ads and scripts without 'extensions' ....
>
> Well, since you have to install most of the kde stuff *and* mysql:
> definetly a no go...
>
> Sebastian

except - you don't.

Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Sebastian Günther]

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* Volker Armin Hemmann (volkerarmin@googlemail.com) [15.02.09 23:31]:
> On Sonntag 15 Februar 2009, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> > * Volker Armin Hemmann (volkerarmin@googlemail.com) [15.02.09 15:45]:
> > > of course konqueror can block ads and scripts without 'extensions' ....
> >
> > Well, since you have to install most of the kde stuff *and* mysql:
> > definetly a no go...
> >
> > Sebastian
> 
> except - you don't.
> 
> 

samson@marvin ~ $ emerge -pvt konqueror

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy 
"x11-libs/qt-sql:4[mysql]".
!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.0_rc1 (Change USE: +mysql)
(dependency required by "app-office/akonadi-server-1.1.1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.2.0" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kpasswdserver-4.2.0" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/konqueror-4.2.0-r1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "konqueror" [argument])

Well, this somehow states the opposite.

Which useflag magic do I have to use to achieve that goal?

Sebastian 

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Mike Williams]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 22:57:24 Sebastian Günther wrote:
> Which useflag magic do I have to use to achieve that goal?

-mysql

Seems ebuilds have the ability to turn on use flags for themselves that the 
user has given no preference to. Turn it off, and it's off.

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Sebastian Günther]

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* Mike Williams (mike@gaima.co.uk) [16.02.09 00:50]:
> On Sunday 15 February 2009 22:57:24 Sebastian Günther wrote:
> > Which useflag magic do I have to use to achieve that goal?
> 
> -mysql
> 
> Seems ebuilds have the ability to turn on use flags for themselves that the 
> user has given no preference to. Turn it off, and it's off.
> 
Thank you that helped!

But still the 23 new packages from kde will let me stay with ff...

Sebastian

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Momesso Andrea]

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On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 08:27:15PM +0100, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 15 February 2009, 05:10, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> 
> > Google Chrome's another that has this wonderful feature... and doesn't
> > run on Linux (yet).
> 
> And even when it will, I bet it would be under wine.
>

Nope, it will be native linux using the gtk toolkit.

http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/msg/f3507e2ded99b354?pli=1

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Re: [gentoo-user] a multi-process browser?

[Enrico Weigelt]

* zhangweiwu@realss.com <zhangweiwu@realss.com> wrote:

>  I always wonder if I can run firefox multi-process instead of
> multi-threads. 

No, it's now discussed for years, but nothing really happened yet.
Actually, I doubt that it will ever happen. 

They didnt event get the plugins running in their own process - the 
major issues known for now about 10 years obviously dont matter ;-o

I've looked into the issue a while ago, but the whole codebase is
that extremly complex and fat that its far too much for doing it
by just one person in spare time ;-o


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