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From: "Rob Rutherford" <rlrutherford@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]
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On 5/16/07, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
>
> Which problem from the upstream ?
> I'm a little bit involved in Xorg development (especially on the
> modularizing project), so if you tell me the problem, I could fix it.
>
> The problem w/ x11-base/xorg-server are the PDEPENDs on (external)
> driver packages. I dont see any valid reason for depending the
> Xserver on drivers, which themselfes depend on the Xserver.
>
> If you want some package which pulls in an complete Xserver installation
> *and* drivers (based on certain useflags), why not just an virtual
> package ?
>
> IMHO, there were days where it had been done so (when PDEPEND did not
> yet exist). I don't know why this had changed, probably just to get
> an new feature widely used. (BTW: I do not see any valid reason for
> PDEPEND anyways)
Thanks, this was much more informative and useful than:
> I also want to say "Thank you" to the gentoo devs.
>
> Thank you for producing lots of circular dependencies
> (ie. in the Xserver), which make maintenance complicated.
>
> Cirular deps have been really sucking in SuSE and were one
> of the major for dropping it to me.
>
> Great, great thanks to the devs for forcing me to maintain my
> own overlay to clean up the crap. (anyone who's interested in
> it, please give a note).
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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/16/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Enrico Weigelt</b> <<a href="mailto:weigelt@metux.de">weigelt@metux.de</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Which problem from the upstream ?<br>I'm a little bit involved in Xorg development (especially on the<br>modularizing project), so if you tell me the problem, I could fix it.<br><br>The problem w/ x11-base/xorg-server are the PDEPENDs on (external)
<br>driver packages. I dont see any valid reason for depending the<br>Xserver on drivers, which themselfes depend on the Xserver.<br><br>If you want some package which pulls in an complete Xserver installation<br>*and* drivers (based on certain useflags), why not just an virtual
<br>package ?<br><br>IMHO, there were days where it had been done so (when PDEPEND did not<br>yet exist). I don't know why this had changed, probably just to get<br>an new feature widely used. (BTW: I do not see any valid reason for
<br>PDEPEND anyways)</blockquote><div><br>Thanks, this was much more informative and useful than:<br><br>> I also want to say "Thank you" to the gentoo devs.<br>> <br>> Thank you for producing lots of circular dependencies
<br>> (ie. in the Xserver), which make maintenance complicated.<br>> <br>> Cirular deps have been really sucking in SuSE and were one<br>> of the major for dropping it to me.<br>> <br>> Great, great thanks to the devs for forcing me to maintain my
<br>> own overlay to clean up the crap. (anyone who's interested in<br>> it, please give a note).<br><br><br></div><br></div><br>
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