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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <63491dfb-23bc-55eb-9f04-ee0c9c01569f@gmail.com> <0ff56974-aa58-538b-a93f-3e1ec57792f8@gmail.com> <2225865.NgBsaNRSFp@rogueboard> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2024 12:15:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2225865.NgBsaNRSFp@rogueboard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------41E59F87875FE97C5546033E" X-Archives-Salt: e9484b17-a9d3-42c1-984f-8f54034ae8c0 X-Archives-Hash: 4bc30f20cfa18fe107d41737df61aab7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------41E59F87875FE97C5546033E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 3 August 2024 06:55:53 BST Dale wrote: >> Waldo Lemmer wrote: >>> Chrome violates the HTML5 spec in many ways, and many web developers >>> only test their sites in Chrome, so some sites occasionally break in >>> Firefox. The situation has improved a lot over the years, though. >>> >>> Firefox has a channel through which broken sites can be reported: >>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/report-breakage-due-blocking >> I'm looked into that link. I put my mouse pointer over the thing they >> say to check and it shows nothing is detected or blocked. So, I guess >> that isn't the problem. This could be a Ebay problem. The way it is >> supposed to work is when I put in and/or select the items needed, it is >> supposed to change the button to be clickable. It fails to do that. >> Thing is, it could also be Firefox. Firefox works on every website I go >> to. I can't recall the last time a site didn't work so I'm kinda >> leaning to it being a Ebay problem but I could be wrong. I wasn't >> surprised when Seamonkey didn't work. Heck, most sites don't work right >> with it anymore. I just know something is wrong since Chrome worked. >> Thing is, I don't trust Chrome for much. Even tho I use Gmail, I don't >> trust Google much at all either. I use encrypted email for some >> things. Keeps their nose out of my business. LOL > I have used firefox, (librewolf to be more precise) to buy stuff off ebay, > leave feedback, etc. and do not recall problems with any buttons. > > HOWEVER: I do not run Addons (other than Ublock Origin) and for these type of > transactions I make sure session cookies are accepted. > > >> I really need to switch to a better email provider. Thing is, I'd like >> to set it up so that I have a email program that fetches my emails and >> then I just connect locally to read them. After all, Seamonkey stopped >> fetching emails automatically long ago. Plus, once setup, I could stop >> using Seamonkey. Seamonkey needs some serious work. Sad tho, I like >> it in a lot of ways. > Since you're using Firefox as your browser, have you tried Thunderbird as a > desktop mail client? I understand it shares code with Seamonkey, by I don't > know what their differences might be. > I always thought the email part of Seamonkey was the same as Thunderbird so I tried it a few times.  While it is a lot like it, it is different.  One thing that I have issues with, opening links.  I get emails with links from orders I've placed, news articles and other stuff.  I'd like them to open in Firefox but since I have several profiles, I can't find a way to open those links and it do so in a certain profile, even if Firefox is already open.  Basically, I need to be able to right click on a link and be able to tell it to open the link in a new tab in profile abc for example.  Even setting it to a certain profile for all links would be ok.  I'd guess 99% of the links I click on would need to open in the 'secure' profile.  That is the profile I use for ordering, banking and such.  It has a few add-ons that make things more secure.  I have containers there that separate certain websites from other things.  It's the most used profile. To add info.  I have another profile used for watching videos.  It is set up to work well with Youtube and other video sites.  The add-ons there are for downloading videos and such.  I have another profile that I use for torrent stuff.  I never use the video or torrent profiles to say login to my bank account, pay bills or anything.  I mostly use separate profiles because some add-ons clash with each other.  I can't install all the add-ons I need in just one profile.  Plus, I can manage the number of open tabs better too.  >> I may look into other email sites again. I need a really good guide to >> get it to work like I need tho. I don't know where to even start. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > There is Seamonkey documentation, but there are loads of how to's for Mozilla > products. If Seamonkey is mostly the same as Firefox/Thunderbird, you can > take look at the Thunderbird resources to find out how to set up Seamonkey to > behave as you want it. Well, what I'd like to do, install a email program that fetches the emails and then stores them on my system.  Then I can have Thunderbird or any other email program connect to that and view, create, send or whatever emails.  Thing is, setting up the first program is complicated.  It is a bit over my head.  From what I've read, it is pretty picky too.  It has to be fairly perfect or things don't work.  I'd need a seriously good how to to even get started.  It could turn into another long thread like that goofy monitor.  :/  I'm at a point where I either dive in and stay out of the water.  ROFL Dale :-)  :-)  --------------41E59F87875FE97C5546033E Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Michael wrote:
On Saturday, 3 August 2024 06:55:53 BST Dale wrote:

Waldo Lemmer wrote:

Chrome violates the HTML5 spec in many ways, and many web developers
only test their sites in Chrome, so some sites occasionally break in
Firefox. The situation has improved a lot over the years, though.

Firefox has a channel through which broken sites can be reported:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/report-breakage-due-blocking

I'm looked into that link.  I put my mouse pointer over the thing they
say to check and it shows nothing is detected or blocked.  So, I guess
that isn't the problem.  This could be a Ebay problem.  The way it is
supposed to work is when I put in and/or select the items needed, it is
supposed to change the button to be clickable.  It fails to do that. 
Thing is, it could also be Firefox.  Firefox works on every website I go
to.  I can't recall the last time a site didn't work so I'm kinda
leaning to it being a Ebay problem but I could be wrong.  I wasn't
surprised when Seamonkey didn't work.  Heck, most sites don't work right
with it anymore.  I just know something is wrong since Chrome worked. 
Thing is, I don't trust Chrome for much.  Even tho I use Gmail, I don't
trust Google much at all either.  I use encrypted email for some
things.  Keeps their nose out of my business.  LOL

I have used firefox, (librewolf to be more precise) to buy stuff off ebay, 
leave feedback, etc. and do not recall problems with any buttons.

HOWEVER:  I do not run Addons (other than Ublock Origin) and for these type of 
transactions I make sure session cookies are accepted.



I really need to switch to a better email provider.  Thing is, I'd like
to set it up so that I have a email program that fetches my emails and
then I just connect locally to read them. After all, Seamonkey stopped
fetching emails automatically long ago.  Plus, once setup, I could stop
using Seamonkey.  Seamonkey needs some serious work.  Sad tho,  I like
it in a lot of ways. 

Since you're using Firefox as your browser, have you tried Thunderbird as a 
desktop mail client?  I understand it shares code with Seamonkey, by I don't 
know what their differences might be.

I always thought the email part of Seamonkey was the same as Thunderbird so I tried it a few times.  While it is a lot like it, it is different.  One thing that I have issues with, opening links.  I get emails with links from orders I've placed, news articles and other stuff.  I'd like them to open in Firefox but since I have several profiles, I can't find a way to open those links and it do so in a certain profile, even if Firefox is already open.  Basically, I need to be able to right click on a link and be able to tell it to open the link in a new tab in profile abc for example.  Even setting it to a certain profile for all links would be ok.  I'd guess 99% of the links I click on would need to open in the 'secure' profile.  That is the profile I use for ordering, banking and such.  It has a few add-ons that make things more secure.  I have containers there that separate certain websites from other things.  It's the most used profile.

To add info.  I have another profile used for watching videos.  It is set up to work well with Youtube and other video sites.  The add-ons there are for downloading videos and such.  I have another profile that I use for torrent stuff.  I never use the video or torrent profiles to say login to my bank account, pay bills or anything.  I mostly use separate profiles because some add-ons clash with each other.  I can't install all the add-ons I need in just one profile.  Plus, I can manage the number of open tabs better too.  




        

          
I may look into other email sites again.  I need a really good guide to
get it to work like I need tho.  I don't know where to even start. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 


        

        
There is Seamonkey documentation, but there are loads of how to's for Mozilla 
products.  If Seamonkey is mostly the same as Firefox/Thunderbird, you can 
take look at the Thunderbird resources to find out how to set up Seamonkey to 
behave as you want it.


      

    

    

    Well, what I'd like to do, install a email program that fetches the
    emails and then stores them on my system.  Then I can have
    Thunderbird or any other email program connect to that and view,
    create, send or whatever emails.  Thing is, setting up the first
    program is complicated.  It is a bit over my head.  From what I've
    read, it is pretty picky too.  It has to be fairly perfect or things
    don't work.  I'd need a seriously good how to to even get started. 
    It could turn into another long thread like that goofy monitor.  :/ 
    

    

    I'm at a point where I either dive in and stay out of the water. 
    ROFL 

    

    Dale 

    

    :-)  :-)  

  


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