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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.13 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FFD62914E9BCD80C0CB1FE83" X-Archives-Salt: 69a5d866-34b5-4956-bbf4-74e8bdf98c8d X-Archives-Hash: fdf2a03abb758890b2076fdcfb773875 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FFD62914E9BCD80C0CB1FE83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 4:59 PM Dale > wrote: > > > I may do some mobo hunting shortly.  See what little thing I can buy > > that is powerful enough.  I don't think a Raspberry Pi is enough.  It > > gets close tho.  Biggest thing, I'd need a lot of SATA ports.  LOTS of > > them. > > Granted, I had a couple of old cases which lowered the cost but > I went to a local computer store and bought used motherboards > that came with processors and memory. They were both Core i7 > but I paid only about $75 each. I needed power supplies and hard drives > so each machine ended up around $350 or so by the time I was done. > Each has 2 4TB drives for storage and a 1TB drive for the OS. A lot > of used motherboards have on-board VGA and Gb/S networking. > > These are TrueNAS machines, FreeBSD not Linux, but they have > a Linux version now if that makes you more comfortable.  > > I'd stick with AMD64 as it's better tested and I don't think you'll > get the network throughput you need to be fast with a Raspberry Pi I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, doesn't even have SATA ports.  I can add a thing called a "hat" I think that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't enough.  I really don't like USB and hard drive mixing.  Every time I do that, the hard drive turns into a door stop.  Currently, I have three Rosewill external enclosures and they have USB and eSATA ports.  I use the eSATA connections and no problems.  It's also really fast.  So, I plan to stick with SATA connections. I have a old computer that I might could use.  It is 4 core something and I think it has 4GBs of memory, maxed out.  I think it will perform well enough but wish it had a little more horses in it. I looked at something called ITX but they have only one PCIe slot usually.  That's not enough.  I'd like to have two 6 or 8 port SATA cards.  Then balance the drives on each.  I think some of the through put is shared so the more drives on it, the slower it can be.  I'd like to have two such cards. 12 or 16 drives should be enough to last a while.  Part of me wants to do RAID but not sure about that.  Yet.  I think I'm just going to go with ATX since it has several PCIe slots.  While I don't think I need a super powerful machine, I do want enough that it will perform well.  I may use actual NAS software too.  I'm sure Gentoo would work to with proper tweaking but then I need to deal with compiling things.  Of course, no libreoffice or anything big so it may not be to bad.  Thing is, the NAS software will likely be more efficient since it is designed for the purpose.  I just know I need a proper machine for the task.  I'm getting lots of data fast now.  I hit the 80% mark overnight.  At 90%, I consider it critical.  Something must be done soon.  Keep those ideas coming.  I'll put them in the blender and see what comes out.  ;-) Dale :-)  :-)  --------------FFD62914E9BCD80C0CB1FE83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 4:59 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I may do some mobo hunting shortly.  See what little thing I can buy
> that is powerful enough.  I don't think a Raspberry Pi is enough.  It
> gets close tho.  Biggest thing, I'd need a lot of SATA ports.  LOTS of
> them.

Granted, I had a couple of old cases which lowered the cost but
I went to a local computer store and bought used motherboards
that came with processors and memory. They were both Core i7
but I paid only about $75 each. I needed power supplies and hard drives
so each machine ended up around $350 or so by the time I was done.
Each has 2 4TB drives for storage and a 1TB drive for the OS. A lot
of used motherboards have on-board VGA and Gb/S networking.

These are TrueNAS machines, FreeBSD not Linux, but they have
a Linux version now if that makes you more comfortable. 

I'd stick with AMD64 as it's better tested and I don't think you'll
get the network throughput you need to be fast with a Raspberry Pi


I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, doesn't even have SATA ports.  I can add a thing called a "hat" I think that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't enough.  I really don't like USB and hard drive mixing.  Every time I do that, the hard drive turns into a door stop.  Currently, I have three Rosewill external enclosures and they have USB and eSATA ports.  I use the eSATA connections and no problems.  It's also really fast.  So, I plan to stick with SATA connections.

I have a old computer that I might could use.  It is 4 core something and I think it has 4GBs of memory, maxed out.  I think it will perform well enough but wish it had a little more horses in it.

I looked at something called ITX but they have only one PCIe slot usually.  That's not enough.  I'd like to have two 6 or 8 port SATA cards.  Then balance the drives on each.  I think some of the through put is shared so the more drives on it, the slower it can be.  I'd like to have two such cards. 12 or 16 drives should be enough to last a while.  Part of me wants to do RAID but not sure about that.  Yet.  I think I'm just going to go with ATX since it has several PCIe slots. 

While I don't think I need a super powerful machine, I do want enough that it will perform well.  I may use actual NAS software too.  I'm sure Gentoo would work to with proper tweaking but then I need to deal with compiling things.  Of course, no libreoffice or anything big so it may not be to bad.  Thing is, the NAS software will likely be more efficient since it is designed for the purpose. 

I just know I need a proper machine for the task.  I'm getting lots of data fast now.  I hit the 80% mark overnight.  At 90%, I consider it critical.  Something must be done soon. 

Keep those ideas coming.  I'll put them in the blender and see what comes out.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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