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Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <87pokn23ai.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <4c7138ac-cbd2-c60f-2a86-bb7e41e9d6fb@gmail.com> <87r353zmfs.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <97c3b37f-be37-391c-2e16-b232c793156d@gmail.com> From: "Taiidan@gmx.com" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:29:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <97c3b37f-be37-391c-2e16-b232c793156d@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:yTBUE8DiLzTRxftc0JFsezgEtimSjrlGvxvBBp+7QHuRBHpWwMq mQFGoQRk0UFr80waV4LJYW6gPZhfmTeeq2GQEqxIgwo5olpTmpfKVHTb4WDUOLcJ2CmuWma XgglD2giUF9ODUpJKM5cNvAAV59YcEh25bbuAPJk26Jpj/nYHH7C1FwUonMwKmZggHlx5I2 5xHig0AisOObIF2TIiJRw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:0lCk7VOrowY=:pH+lq2kBQ22Nm48h/09BGn uUj0HTuuda7FI/7DO2PTAaPlt/2QH1QBQMZREixbd1Wzf9r+c0JIfdJSMP8B2B9TvRMSnkmEw hOrt/jdFv92v3nmz9WhQ4sjeyLkGkh56ePpZHqht/STSJCnwmk9Xyialmyr9hDRKq7i5rpH1H s9jzKAI0OZnsdWim2+d87+JYZgNq+tm/2oFGZz3W1V+OOIG1midbz4Q6cLQUb+yec0Wt/G82k FS7viBLvnifbWS6rNGGMkjaW3NjAgUyZoosIhrxekvVGEpLhBUFKCBvUIPzpWQQcMD2ccdhA7 ii1ip8zUK7zKBPEkUD0uBGrpSmTeH+gPt59t9031xQxieERPCdTezs5n0wPEV4YdhB3vwK5iW l3L1R3quENZWKQQj7r/YhRtj8a5fqx8z/9XyVkgDkLtkHfvsD0RfKv4RAvTXfMjmAqA+0k4FN VS2kQLjy+Q/YFYH0N63HTb9QAjTWW4ZNxZxLANPvr7mqIqw0ato8rK3A+k8v87JcJEOJAcK+9 zc2ggGuPv+SCjv9MkkWFX064tb7cuMhcJg2zImMBMX5r1H6VJgSJtYDvMJzaXQ021DupgUvVj eidUjhhpcaCQ2s4uLKUBNLWdv3h5aK/1+ffsYkBJ1jAUIrD4akDJl5O/JPrXy0ntG7jYQF95t /5ms9zO7CdUM4ZuOXYFHRZJoxtOH9g47BYoE158SF1b15Cjc901QgRGQyOcI/F2lUd+GdnzHv xyzrPhCHN//1OzDIxHB+eDE4SnMxO+Z8n7gnZ56gCwY+0Kp/+cSd7l/RQZog4OnKQl4Y6cl25 CIJ6Otc X-Archives-Salt: 72e29e37-9462-4b2b-8b52-e478c5e47881 X-Archives-Hash: 0c5df40de597161d59410038a18986d5 On 12/19/2016 05:50 PM, Dale wrote: > lee wrote: >> Daniel Frey writes: >> >>> On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: >>>> "Walter Dnes" writes: >>>> >>>>> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one >>>>> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. >>>> Since 10 years or so, the default is two ports. >>> Not in any of the computers I've built. Generally only high end or >>> workstation/server boards have two ports. >>> >>> i.e. not what the typical home user would buy. >> It is not reasonable to assume that a "typical home user" would want a >> computer with a crappy board to run Linux on it (or for anything >> else). If they are that cheap, they're better off buying a used one. >> When they are sufficiently clueless to want something like that, what >> does it matter what the network interfaces are called. >> > I built my current rig just a few years ago. It has one ethernet port > on it. Since it didn't work right, bad drivers I guess, I added a card > to have the second port. The rig I built before that, it also had one > ethernet port. > > I might add, I didn't buy a "crappy board" either. The first was Abit > which was the top rated brand at the time and my current board is > Gigabyte, another highly rated board at the time I bought it. As Daniel > points out, you have to get into some pretty high end boards before you > get two ethernet ports. > > Just for giggles, I went and looked at Asus boards, currently highly > rated. I had to get up around the $400 range to find two ports. Most > computers built for home use, and even some, maybe most, business > computers, only have one port. It's all they need. > > I might also add, I have a lot of friends that give me their old > computers. Of all the puters I have ever seen, they had one ethernet > port. Over the past decade or so, I've likely stripped out a few dozen > computers for parts. Not one of them had two ethernet ports. > > I'm with Daniel on this one. > > Dale > > :-) :-) I too have never seen a non server board with more than one embedded network interface. I have an expensive server board that features two ethernet ports but I really hate the removal of the ethX scheme, sometimes they get detected in the wrong order and ethX is way easier to type than ens1s0 or what not. It is just another swell example of the pottering-eqsue corruption of the free software movement.