[gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[vikram ranade]

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Hello all,
I am very new to gentoo (used to use Red Hat earlier)
I have installed gentoo using the networkless install with the
2005.1universal CD.
I have got the system booting perfectly and detecting all the hardware as
well.
I got the network connection working and now I am running
#emerge --update --deep world
to get the latest version of the system.

My question is ..
Is X already installed? (the system boots to a text login)
how do i start X?
How do I install new software ? (gnome and so on)

Thanks!
Best regards,
Vikram

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[Janne Johansson]

On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 14:46 +0530, vikram ranade wrote:

> My question is ..
> Is X already installed? (the system boots to a text login)

no.

> how do i start X?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=desktop

> How do I install new software ? (gnome and so on)

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=gentoo

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[Michael Kjorling]

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On 2005-09-28 14:46 +0530, ranade.vikram@gmail.com wrote:
> Is X already installed? (the system boots to a text login)

Most likely. I did a stage 3 installation of 2005.1 a few days ago and
ended up getting both X and a whole bunch of other stuff installed.
Chances are you have it, too.

"etcat -s x11" will tell you for sure. If not, doing "emerge xorg-x11"
as root will install it.

> how do i start X?

Log in, then issue the command "startx" (no, really!).

If you want the system to boot to a graphical login, log in as root
and issue the command "rc-update add xdm default" to add the X display
manager (xdm) to the default runlevel.

> How do I install new software ? (gnome and so on)

Use "emerge", preferably with the "-a" (--ask) option so that you have
a chance to bail out before it installs everything and the kitchen
sink if you don't want it to.

"emerge -s" (--search) will search for a package with a name
containing the given string. See "man emerge" for more possibilities.

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[John Jolet]

On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:11 AM, Michael Kjorling wrote:

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> On 2005-09-28 14:46 +0530, ranade.vikram@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is X already installed? (the system boots to a text login)
>>
>
> Most likely. I did a stage 3 installation of 2005.1 a few days ago and
> ended up getting both X and a whole bunch of other stuff installed.
> Chances are you have it, too.
>
A stage 3 will not install X, unless you do emerge something after  
install that requires X....like when I did an emerge kde-meta...that  
got X installed, then kde and xdm, etc.

> "etcat -s x11" will tell you for sure. If not, doing "emerge xorg-x11"
> as root will install it.
>
>
>> how do i start X?
>>
>
> Log in, then issue the command "startx" (no, really!).
>
> If you want the system to boot to a graphical login, log in as root
> and issue the command "rc-update add xdm default" to add the X display
> manager (xdm) to the default runlevel.
>
>
>> How do I install new software ? (gnome and so on)
>>
>
> Use "emerge", preferably with the "-a" (--ask) option so that you have
> a chance to bail out before it installs everything and the kitchen
> sink if you don't want it to.
>
> "emerge -s" (--search) will search for a package with a name
> containing the given string. See "man emerge" for more possibilities.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[Michael Kjorling]

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On 2005-09-28 06:52 -0500, john@jolet.net wrote:
> A stage 3 will not install X, unless you do emerge something after install 
> that requires X....like when I did an emerge kde-meta...that got X 
> installed, then kde and xdm, etc.

That's right. Since this was on a laptop, I emerged the PCMCIA tools,
which has X tools. So X got emerged as a dependency because I did not
explicitly disable it (and I wanted X, anyway).

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[John Jolet]

On Wednesday 28 September 2005 07:04, Michael Kjorling wrote:
> On 2005-09-28 06:52 -0500, john@jolet.net wrote:
> > A stage 3 will not install X, unless you do emerge something after
> > install that requires X....like when I did an emerge kde-meta...that got
> > X installed, then kde and xdm, etc.
>
> That's right. Since this was on a laptop, I emerged the PCMCIA tools,
> which has X tools. So X got emerged as a dependency because I did not
> explicitly disable it (and I wanted X, anyway).
Yes, I guess I was unclear...my point was that it was not the stage3 install 
that installed x...it was an emerge of something that required x.  When I 
emerged the pcmcia tools on THIS laptop, I did it with -X in the USE flags, 
so X wasn't emerged until the kde install.
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[vikram ranade]

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Thanks for the response..I will chek it out as soon as the emerge --update
finishes....
it is taking forever to compile on my T20 (P-III 750)
Regards,
Vikram

>
> >
> > Most likely. I did a stage 3 installation of 2005.1 a few days ago and
> > ended up getting both X and a whole bunch of other stuff installed.
> > Chances are you have it, too.
> >
> A stage 3 will not install X, unless you do emerge something after
> install that requires X....like when I did an emerge kde-meta...that
> got X installed, then kde and xdm, etc.
>
> >

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[joschi]

Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2005, 14:46 +0530 schrieb vikram ranade:
> Hello all,

hi!

> I am very new to gentoo (used to use Red Hat earlier)
> I have installed gentoo using the networkless install with the 2005.1
> universal CD.
> I have got the system booting perfectly and detecting all the hardware
> as well.
> I got the network connection working and now I am running
> #emerge --update --deep world
>  to get the latest version of the system.
> 
> My question is ..
> Is X already installed? (the system boots to a text login)

probably not. 

> how do i start X?

log into the console and type "startx".

> How do I install new software ? (gnome and so on)

if X is not installed, type "emerge xorg-x11".
for gnome the same, "emerge gnome".
theres are some cool gtk-frontends out to emerge, my favorite 
is "portage" ;).
> 
check out http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml
and http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page and, for sure, the emerge-manpage
and the mailing-list archive for help on installing software and
managing gentoo.

> Thanks!
> Best regards,
> Vikram 
> 
no problem.
josef


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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[vikram ranade]

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oki I am still stuck at installing gnome......taking forever to compile....
:-(


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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[vikram ranade]

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I emerged the mirrorselect pakage and set the mirror to asia....
but any emerge operation still goes to
distfiles.gentoo.org<http://distfiles.gentoo.org>

do I need to do anything more to "fix" the new settings?
Thanks,
Vikram

On 9/29/05, vikram ranade <ranade.vikram@gmail.com> wrote:
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> oki I am still stuck at installing gnome......taking forever to
> compile....
> :-(
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[Holly Bostick]

vikram ranade schreef:
> oki I am still stuck at installing gnome......taking forever to 
> compile.... :-(

Sympathies.... Gnome as a whole isn't so bad; it's just that some of the
packages required in the full GNOME monty are among the longest to
compile-- most notably mozilla. Even stripped via USE flags
(-mozcalendar -mozdevelop +moznocompose +moznoirc +moznomail -moznoxft
+mozsvg), it still takes till doomsday to compile, and a number of
programs in the full 'gnome' metapackage depend on it.

Which is the main reason.... I hate to bring it up, since you're already
in the middle of the compile, but you probably should know.... which is
one of the reasons that I never 'emerge gnome' but always 'emerge
gnome-light' instead. But maybe you need Mozilla and Epiphany and
Evolution and Evolution Data Server and Sound (bloody) Juicer, in which
case, you must suffer the bloated time-consuming compile.

On the occasions that I need such an awful compile during the
installation process (for instance, I usually want to at least install
kdelibs, which also takes forever, because I use a lot of KDE apps,
though rarely KDE itself), I usually install a very light WM, like
IceWM, as the last stage of install, just to have something I can use to
boot into, and have something like a completed system (meaning "with X")
installed, from which I then compile GNOME or KDE or whatever. Even
WindowMaker or AfterStep will do for this purpose, if you like those WMs
(and there's plenty to like about them, despite their advanced age and
lack of 'modernness'). Heaven knows, they take some 10 or 15 minutes to
compile, if that long, and of course system-dependent; I have an Athlon
XP 2200+ and 512MB ram, so not really a super-charged setup, though
naturally much faster than some of the PIIs and PIIIs I know exist
around here-- and the compilation time does not include X of course, but
there's no getting around that whatever WM or DE you install. The quick
compile of the older WMs is not to be sneezed at by any means, and
WindowMaker and AfterStep are pretty usable out of the box, even for
those who didn't 'grow up with' them, as many old-school users
did. IceWM is for those who 'grew up with' Windows, and is probably a
better choice for users who 'grew up with' Win95 and 98.

Just ideas for the future, in case you ever need/want/are asked to
install Gentoo to another machine.

HTH,
Holly
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RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[Michael Kintzios]

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> From: Holly Bostick [mailto:motub@planet.nl] 
> Sent: 29 September 2005 14:43
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install
> 
[snip]
> The quick
> compile of the older WMs is not to be sneezed at by any means, and
> WindowMaker and AfterStep are pretty usable out of the box, even for
> those who didn't 'grow up with' them, as many old-school users
> did. IceWM is for those who 'grew up with' Windows, and is probably a
> better choice for users who 'grew up with' Win95 and 98.

[OT warning] I wonder, are there any statistics for what WM's do people
use?
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 Universal CD install

[vikram ranade]

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> Which is the main reason.... I hate to bring it up, since you're already
> in the middle of the compile, but you probably should know.... which is
> one of the reasons that I never 'emerge gnome' but always 'emerge
> gnome-light' instead. But maybe you need Mozilla and Epiphany and
> Evolution and Evolution Data Server and Sound (bloody) Juicer, in which
> case, you must suffer the bloated time-consuming compile.


Oh well cant help it now.....Since this is a first Gentoo experience for
me...might
as well get all of gnome installed and then mess with the system a
little....can always do it all over again
(via the sensible route)........there is no way im kidding my self that this
install is going to last...
since this is not a production machine....more like my sandbox to try stuff
out...


I have an Athlon XP 2200+ and 512MB ram, so not really a super-charged
> setup, though
> naturally much faster than some of the PIIs and PIIIs I know exist
> around here--


HaH!...Im doomed to suffer in that case..Mine is a PIII-750 with 256 MB
RAM:-)
Thanks anyhow,

Dying to post "success with Gentoo GUI!"....

Regards,
Vikram

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