From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LPNxj-0004X3-UV for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:16:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CD69E0526; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.249]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCE5E0526 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so3625362rvf.46 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:16:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Jl9rTEZ1nzGKejj5D9MYe0Immce261+j5kF19eEV/DQ=; b=bpegczZuVp9fADIyhAskuzMRyC0ZlZC9aJ2i6HJXHbG/YsUaJ/vJg+F1F8IItRfR4A FriQQ8eTDvHDUVnrCd5my5fiZfov6V3oFmJVGGi5FfUvTRa6oVwQgUWlmyd/b2dVHNtX /kd9oH8ESpSW+lHGEQ25zPtHUlsQqlI7Yyml4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XnGVD4P3O6rZw6aY8222DfLJa+NoxoUyyng/E8HbypM2izMu1IqDoULYbnL3wBJFgg SPeU50NpS9O4jkhHFM82Cz5JG2RoA7n2PUzoHSRZFSi9Z/8cv/6JZEl5fSoo9qDgk1Ex 7MibRstiP/Vw5zpKcyxBnnA3KNJY10JiBbudQ= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mryiff@googlemail.com Received: by 10.141.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr3586351rvn.56.1232486200520; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:16:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <58965d8a0901201247w4f8229cbib4d5451adb39e9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0901200938y7b7faff1lc4aba77987f783d7@mail.gmail.com> <497635EA.8070908@gmail.com> <58965d8a0901201247w4f8229cbib4d5451adb39e9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:16:40 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 463766f9cbe227c8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?] From: Nick Cunningham To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd295682c30fa0460f08e74 X-Archives-Salt: 968f88a7-775d-45a4-92a3-7c4af963aa3a X-Archives-Hash: 85796b5a70cccb4828d8fb392a5e2fb9 --000e0cd295682c30fa0460f08e74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2009/1/20 Paul Hartman > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n. wrote: > > Mark Knecht ha scritto: > > > >> The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully > >> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the > >> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage > >> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage > >> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users are > >> currently using. > > > > Really? > > > > I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old > > Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely x86 > > stable now on Gentoo. > > > > A couple of examples I am aware of: > > Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in > KB8.04 > > Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and a > > hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) in > Gentoo. > > > > Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is > > even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last > > time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect, > > everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4). > > > > I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the > > meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and > > also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 rc > > in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually a > > bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of software. > > > > Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I first > > installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I > > wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to test > > packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me > > having false memories). > > When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switched from > x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to > use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It seems > the majority of users are using ~arch these days. > > I see it as a good thing, a sign that Gentoo is maturing beyond just being a 'ricing' distro. Its now possible to have the best of both worlds, whether you want the stability of well tested packages from ARCH, or the chance to get newer packages, but with a chance of bugs and potential breakage by using ~ARCH. Im a happy ~ARCH user myself, and have been for a long time, however i do stick to using plain ARCH on my little server just to keep it stable and happy. - Nick --000e0cd295682c30fa0460f08e74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/1/20 Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo= @gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n.= <brullonulla@gmail.com>= wrote:
> Mark Knecht ha scritto:
>
>>    The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that yo= u carefully
>> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the=
>> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
>> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage >> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users= are
>> currently using.
>
> Really?
>
> I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old > Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely x8= 6
> stable now on Gentoo.
>
> A couple of examples I am aware of:
> Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in = KB8.04
> Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and a<= br> > hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) = in Gentoo.
>
> Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is > even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last > time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
> everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).
>
> I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the<= br> > meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and=
> also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 = rc
> in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually a<= br> > bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of softwa= re.
>
> Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I fi= rst
> installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I > wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to = test
> packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just m= e
> having false memories).

When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switch= ed from
x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to
use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It s= eems
the majority of users are using ~arch these days.


I see it as a good thing, a sign that Gentoo is matu= ring beyond just being a 'ricing' distro. Its now possible to have = the best of both worlds, whether you want the stability of well tested pack= ages from ARCH, or the chance to get newer packages, but with a chance of b= ugs and potential breakage by using ~ARCH.

Im a happy ~ARCH user myself, and have been for a long time, however i = do stick to using plain ARCH on my little server just to keep it stable and= happy.

- Nick
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