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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20200422162629.GA4639@legohost> <20200422180825.GA12885@legohost> <82271c88-bd0f-aa50-8155-e7028305e0ef@gentoo.org> <20200423085252.GE16612@legohost> <170d8de8-b773-6c3d-52af-12aabacde269@gmail.com> <20200423092608.GB18636@legohost> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFxc7MgBEAC+zrgEdqJJiDe/UDAB+ScmferXWfJTVjbVT2T4DQ7jiLrgP9aNUo1HioNF mrU3JPOCR32gvZyTbY1+niO5+VSo/+pSqQ785h6ZDj1klMkrg6tEzGnf2MNBpBj4houZwxQ+ WDKKTg2M9F+lv8wTIdR/JQn+hSviktLMtrghQlyLhpapsLXWLA6gMFebpQYwxUwemvan8ddX lQvJe9FGyFYvBi0dp1gl10F2O+DVZJxvX8xkX+yImVlhVJiC31gXHRcj+Qlo7gprlU7TIieF Uow6/ZvYKJ26pztVdFCg5w0rMJkF/x8Zd4A6wnuptiAPmWaQ1+YKgYDonbDUgwqFSx5/lN5z DGZ4LlioxeUTTPVvZsqBIeDz6jNFA583OYbo1/S26dqrvTFf2DKlsvoDpVfAhNlwJPjoixs0 X3FNqPv+M10n4kq5Iz7Q9E3O4s/nfFIYGocEslVka7zZPkXSaHbsn+KJlY8XV6qxtCEdh0/V XX1+1aU2J74M0JikWhpwxTZ1dP5aOyWSPPEgFFIRW6xwwC02SoRH9a7mggfGYp/YjPlONNaT SCL8sgRfvmq3D0XTbLyTjSbExxkfKDmbePQagawDE3TlI/oivHf1JaAcbwMb3LZuU4TGcOIl 5D+x7q0MUIeCop0ZFOwAnqW3AVVNvsBkv2KN+IHJryWAf0/iMQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgWIQTZ7suruPBaS60bCYXvEM/XWu+ZnAUCXFzs yAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDvEM/XWu+ZnN+7D/4/1dNG4aCz0+v+ 0dcjV5tY1feYEWCdHKyDzxWBxlCpd/0NPRQeNY4VMjbCl/sq7GkXi/c2SbfWDQ5BQRkkExG1 pSwuXSIehGok/4fpTi3HDAguRvzdCqlKPt7me05FyiC/WnpY5GOlJ3ruGw2qABv/RmV2q5b/ tkq7h1y1f16DTNr3/nsj8HzHcrHdXdL4kaYChSOe/dbQR9Stqak7eMyR+iwvrJMNF/CGl70P 2x5ybsXMDzRVOqNcpa5ZdhEMTVh6+vC1SOmm1BFMF8XCqBEvBbcHWDQmGYTdNCsS/ADm8CBl gvjJgLdIsAzoMu4WHQDFnzXAoArqFWgAf53isOS4AWrv29tF9b8Aa1vb7h5JEa+ArcMsA6Gl X38+GY6WXXaxKI9n3PTCWu9tPGnRh7mABjnwEosDDqmzw8aTAYECb3avDuGY2rmcjgh4H6RE w08d63j1T4d5J9wlm4TGtW/VHgbUFkATEdH3Acl/EjFiyqTiX7p8kU6Reu5enIkogA93xoQh Rmy7ZiST/5LN+ZkaOdyjIw0L+5KalslN9SKt809YxgJ6kPo657LNTFPiFvFA46/SEWcBYrzq Xk0wEW0gBRWf+BqN0qRhU0/EQ+QfRdLLFg2xtUePwlheYLXxfyDLrdCCOLWYpkzbjCZHLS4u 69smbvR9S9KBDNzJybxEWrkCDQRcXOzIARAA5IGRWTqaM44IJgBYghZg2fGj0Am7KWPhE7V7 T/EEe7vVSUEFqHtlHzI4ZK6Q0AZ9uAEjE8IJIQ7KoTjzNqAtabP0vp3s0szgtJlsZ+8vGKlQ my7fvzSrdoQL0Xn7CEwJYFXJ1EMUcYIQeoHG1cUAaXx73k9BFbjwjnUeMrqlV/ZovQlg7duW nESfQ7HZu5NrtYyY3jPMUouxiO9WQPh+IHxZbt1absF2VcvRAymD32RxGvMPbw6ChMRD/p9O 4PH7M5rXaxr78NXQX9E48vrI00f1cYb9NSN1HnSV8cW3jKObVjdBk6jPQwrMvdpgdQhUB9aZ HS/9mC9mmAgiXKyCpzXe7FPB6QznSfn4GIaC/luy1e6SLUkJhRK/niB+gq+Mfxg2zXNuDUTI cMGmpDCp3kgUoorkaltk8RW09io95BkXrGhcDNuSGZfAParBc7RXyYpbIcax8St7tEAd2oFh 4seYOPUlzuhGrPpqR/91wrFc4E1260GKauSr4UhMJv6tygBwyC0mmBMKi+ZXw6ZdZxA5fg7y 35P3TILjznCXXTDgRHq9A3NknKRMcgFacX6eIhANkMFo6oJVjuEgy1dvu1wFfDq7c+i8GAHu L4pYzyXYu6PporlNNU0xSwdVgzM/uuK0lt+UxCimgC+YR3IezgDcbfudb7h9dGIwL+bbPL0A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIBYhBNnuy6u48FpLrRsJhe8Qz9da75mcBQJcXOzIAhsMAAoJEO8Qz9da 75mcXZ4P/1YXgWDZek7mhzrf6uaQzMxa92P89HeWz4PlgB/32symeEFAV04WazzBZffI8AYY rGA1Xmu/2VaB9+FOODyKhUWBc2UL0NRWBk6POwboyTdKlclmpixaN9zLcBt0YLejoRfN1B/5 aQf9/lUDZMnAiCyz0FgeqEMUshldmwWC35RqnjrCbbuk2vIqSH6BLDIXU6jQrLHE1DF0ai41 wLtQFAFXPhn45n0ZwYhVs4Z32z4sjXrIvgBgCaXa4HM+L1Klne0KiNM8ReFTTpTE0SgyDOSZ O3MOa2n77i6JbVtsbiFYnNeP3J9S/l3jevGpZEtNQOKrIm1MW8jGuHWtsDeMkT/mCcSodlkt PxIo+mMK9GpGvG2hW80LiohqNfUbNwAmr3blOYY4URPXPRnEnPs4pmTmL5owjw2dkg145i9I D42Tq+XZ6YtWt3SGzGbAYow6XwTwZ5NFAzV9UQuCGrDw4KWan6O6Z+VIYWsn0UMZlu1Obxna aocofkaUCbISK26kImuD1aA8juSHC18Qv1xUage6/UakbSxyDtACqt6hOVFKX3IA59ApdNRT +2x3iCmlvF9MJsGgFq6IpqL+Fk7iWV8Kjbz0wQOId6N9+JdQh3LrLaS7a1PowUm1z9DK5/O0 Yg+gpDnEOOFI7WM5u7a7FSM2Z/LXGVwel/0eWvLk9tN6 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 04:44:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200423092608.GB18636@legohost> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------19D556B4E65F8D16B2E029DE" X-Archives-Salt: 3f347984-97e9-4c49-91d5-fd257aa2ae18 X-Archives-Hash: 39c7f2df1bfb9cb60f2316580fbd7193 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------19D556B4E65F8D16B2E029DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lego12239@yandex.ru wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 04:02:13AM -0500, Dale wrote: >> lego12239@yandex.ru wrote: >>> Just interesting, why you need to sync every day? >>> And why you need emerge -e, if you can use emerge -auND? >> Might be because Michael is a Gentoo developer.  They have to sync a lot >> as they make changes to the tree.  > There is nothing to be done. He himself decided like that. > No one forced :-D. You ever think that developers may have to do things us users don't?  All we do is use portage/emerge to update our systems.  They have to write or update ebuilds, test them, push them to the tree and then test them some more.  They also have to try to make sure the code it creates works.  All of that takes a lot of time and effort.  Things we don't see.  >> The two commands do different things.  Using emerge -e calculates >> rebuilding every package while emerge -auDN only looks for certain >> updates.  Each can be useful even if not allowed to complete. > I know about it. I didn't understand why in usual case we need to > do everytime emerge -e, instead of emerge -uND. But if we talk about os > developer - it's clear(but why *everytime* emerge -e?). > If you do a emerge -ea world, you will see changes that emerge -uaDN world won't because it considers every package on the system.  When you do emerge -uaDN world, it only looks for changes/updates to the world file and what they depend on but only to a point.  There is a huge difference.  Run them both and observe the difference.  For a dev, that difference can reveal something important.  Dale :-)  :-) --------------19D556B4E65F8D16B2E029DE Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
lego12239@yandex.ru wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 04:02:13AM -0500, Dale wrote:

lego12239@yandex.ru wrote:

Just interesting, why you need to sync every day?
And why you need emerge -e, if you can use emerge -auND?

Might be because Michael is a Gentoo developer.  They have to sync a lot
as they make changes to the tree. 

There is nothing to be done. He himself decided like that.
No one forced :-D.

You ever think that developers may have to do things us users don't?  All we do is use portage/emerge to update our systems.  They have to write or update ebuilds, test them, push them to the tree and then test them some more.  They also have to try to make sure the code it creates works.  All of that takes a lot of time and effort.  Things we don't see.  


      

        
The two commands do different things.  Using emerge -e calculates
rebuilding every package while emerge -auDN only looks for certain
updates.  Each can be useful even if not allowed to complete.


      

      
I know about it. I didn't understand why in usual case we need to
do everytime emerge -e, instead of emerge -uND. But if we talk about os
developer - it's clear(but why *everytime* emerge -e?).



    

    

    If you do a emerge -ea world, you will see changes that emerge -uaDN
    world won't because it considers every package on the system.  When
    you do emerge -uaDN world, it only looks for changes/updates to the
    world file and what they depend on but only to a point.  There is a
    huge difference.  

    

    Run them both and observe the difference.  For a dev, that
    difference can reveal something important.  

    

    Dale

    

    :-)  :-) 

  


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