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Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:04 PM Jack <ostroffjh@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>> The basic idea is to upgrade as few packages at a time as possible - but
>> you can't do just one because of these conflicts.
> If you get stuck in a really bad dependency mess that is sometimes necessary.
>
> However, I'd first suggest just trying to update everything:
> emerge -auDv --changed-use --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --changed-deps
> --backtrack=100 @world
>
> It is quite possible that this will just be a complete mess since such
> a long time has passed.
>
> If so I would try to do just those conflicts necessary to get portage
> updated to start. Or maybe try the above command but using @system
> instead of @world.
>
> However, nobody should be under the impression that it is normal when
> updating to have to routinely update packages one at a time manually
> trying to work through conflicts. As long as all the conflicting
> packages are within the scope of an update command, portage should
> generally be able to figure out how to handle this.
>
> Often when it can't it is the result of heavy-handed user
> configuration (USE=-* and so on). I'm not saying that users can't do
> that if they want, but right now portage doesn't have any concept of
> soft use dependencies so anytime you stick something in a config file
> portage will treat it as the gospel even if one small change to your
> configuration will unblock a large logjam of conflicts.
>
> In an ideal world there would be some kind of prioritization of these
> configs so that you could have softer preferences and harder ones, and
> portage would just make a best effort to respect soft preferences
> without micromanagement.
>
I agree. I'd try to update world as well. I've had occasion in the past
where doing a emerge -uaDN system would fail with conflicts but emerge
-uaDN world would work, just with a really long list of packages to
update. It's worth a shot. If nothing else, the error would provide
more info.
To the OP. Gentoo really needs to be synced and updated at least every
few months. I do mine once a week. Some update daily. The downside of
updating only after long periods of time, running into multiple problem
updates that depend on each other. It's bad enough with just one of
those to deal with but when you are hit with two, three or more, it
becomes easier to reinstall with a fresh tarball and go from there.
Updating is doable but it can be very frustrating and result in a loss
of hair. O_o
Didn't gentoolkit and portage have a circular deps problem several
months back? I seem to recall it being tricky to get past but it has
been a while back. This is another problem with updating after long
periods of time. Old folks with foggy memory can't remember how they
worked around a problem. If they didn't make notes, most of us forget
to do that, then we don't remember how we got around it to share the
solution, which often requires a decoder ring and a off the charts IQ.
lol
Dale
:-) :-)
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Rich Freeman wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:04 PM Jack <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ostroffjh@users.sourceforge.net"><ostroffjh@users.sourceforge.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">
The basic idea is to upgrade as few packages at a time as possible - but
you can't do just one because of these conflicts.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
If you get stuck in a really bad dependency mess that is sometimes necessary.
However, I'd first suggest just trying to update everything:
emerge -auDv --changed-use --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --changed-deps
--backtrack=100 @world
It is quite possible that this will just be a complete mess since such
a long time has passed.
If so I would try to do just those conflicts necessary to get portage
updated to start. Or maybe try the above command but using @system
instead of @world.
However, nobody should be under the impression that it is normal when
updating to have to routinely update packages one at a time manually
trying to work through conflicts. As long as all the conflicting
packages are within the scope of an update command, portage should
generally be able to figure out how to handle this.
Often when it can't it is the result of heavy-handed user
configuration (USE=-* and so on). I'm not saying that users can't do
that if they want, but right now portage doesn't have any concept of
soft use dependencies so anytime you stick something in a config file
portage will treat it as the gospel even if one small change to your
configuration will unblock a large logjam of conflicts.
In an ideal world there would be some kind of prioritization of these
configs so that you could have softer preferences and harder ones, and
portage would just make a best effort to respect soft preferences
without micromanagement.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
I agree. I'd try to update world as well. I've had occasion in the
past where doing a emerge -uaDN system would fail with conflicts but
emerge -uaDN world would work, just with a really long list of
packages to update. It's worth a shot. If nothing else, the error
would provide more info. <br>
<br>
To the OP. Gentoo really needs to be synced and updated at least
every few months. I do mine once a week. Some update daily. The
downside of updating only after long periods of time, running into
multiple problem updates that depend on each other. It's bad enough
with just one of those to deal with but when you are hit with two,
three or more, it becomes easier to reinstall with a fresh tarball
and go from there. Updating is doable but it can be very
frustrating and result in a loss of hair. O_o <br>
<br>
Didn't gentoolkit and portage have a circular deps problem several
months back? I seem to recall it being tricky to get past but it
has been a while back. This is another problem with updating after
long periods of time. Old folks with foggy memory can't remember
how they worked around a problem. If they didn't make notes, most
of us forget to do that, then we don't remember how we got around it
to share the solution, which often requires a decoder ring and a off
the charts IQ. lol <br>
<br>
Dale<br>
<br>
:-) :-) <br>
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