From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4452515800A for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE14BE0D7B; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wilbur.contactoffice.com (wilbur.contactoffice.com [212.3.242.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 502CDE0D64 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth2.co-bxl (smtpauth2.co-bxl [10.2.0.24]) by wilbur.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F329CA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:57:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailfence.com; s=20160819-nLV10XS2; t=1690829861; bh=v369kVHqRYaTaDO6t9xf6JnKGgGyOKlgmttFDAPncaE=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=p3vGpg1fxrXYRmZTdN5V1GBjM9ZILl1EAz+Sla91uIj20mRhdRIH2KATXhz48fmmj kob6/5IPPcKRj5fvoTJqGhGq61NSrzieUOFg+w8wzYGwxmO6hb04xbvXMq9QQGelka KgIKjyQ3qTLrgICluOY77/eeeAVLS4bkGxHtCvLipMOOU6exzW9/P/u03Ufngk2FbL AkTh3bqKW2EQpPS3UpeHuaHl6LDhHyarYt/jDiZKhSdM5n8BqPVlCDIZum47CCC7le P7dx33RhKowAP6bE2uQnbvqHWr5zDOThhWu+NiCM+2tfZvIrtb25nXDiVbOywPxAeB t2ydd48tqX4rA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1690829861; s=20230101-jyav; d=connell.tech; i=matt@connell.tech; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; l=1381; bh=v369kVHqRYaTaDO6t9xf6JnKGgGyOKlgmttFDAPncaE=; b=LO07qMLVm8cFOrmzDB3CBJHfvFzuCb1ckky8agzTy8aYOMtF4JYcF8LQZ133efsD MQW/eTXNppMYIdAQpevrTOnvaC2FN+64qeOemcWBpXxVnttGV+dQiruJDEKzuByXrM1 bdTL4UXzWg55/6ODX71mLAV/8B6dzy4XePYL2uQP1zeXwte5qqWACMlX/8/p5fias0N +pzNYakNoCYh3wv+XoyfyxrZuafUZK1kSVucqm5K+QyZ2qExnr+ZXtxTdIikrx9EA1X qGqCvF+1fr+KfDyYYsTzU8Ea/21bkDCEpmQhfqr82x/v/34o9u7wjMiim72Xc1nkvfH kpwTxHia8A== Received: by smtp.mailfence.com with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:57:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Email clients From: Matt Connell To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:57:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <398d0098-9f37-41d3-99ac-6350aa4b414d@kusoneko.moe> References: <2313990.ElGaqSPkdT@wstn> <5ae103ff53770b6d9eff69468422bad306e7f326.camel@connell.tech> <13319002.uLZWGnKmhe@wstn> <66c296da3982620ef69abcd588b8377f8a588450.camel@connell.tech> <9e07b48f50e29a4d260f88297f9f0d386075a97a.camel@connell.tech> <1eb06d73-13d4-4f6e-8de7-791afd547c0b@kusoneko.moe> <398d0098-9f37-41d3-99ac-6350aa4b414d@kusoneko.moe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.48.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=4.7 symbols=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 device=10.2.0.20 X-ContactOffice-Account: com:118923487 X-Archives-Salt: 6441576d-4c38-4f28-b474-1974552d3dad X-Archives-Hash: 036bf2b519c5af5e920f245a6c41ef09 On Mon, 2023-07-31 at 14:46 -0400, Kusoneko wrote: > Why would you want a mail client to also be a web browser when you alread= y have a web browser to do that job? I will never understand the mindset of= trying to include web browsers into everything. Web browsers are massive p= ieces of software, including one in everything massively increases the comp= ile time and resource usage of the software it's added into. This is why webkit-gtk exists as it does: so it can fulfill this role as part of multiple packages. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying it isn't completely nonsensical to have "browser as a library/module". > >=20 > > Composing HTML also e-mails requires a web-engine. Sure, you can do > > that using emacs, markdown mode, a web browser for previewing, and so > > on. It's a lot of work. >=20 > I don't get the point of composing HTML emails. Let's be honest here, unl= ess you're writing emails as part of a company with complicated messes of h= tml signatures or marketing emails, the only difference between composing a= plain text email and a html email for most people is unnoticeable. Or your company forcibly converts emails to HTML so that it can apply a signature, and you have no say in the matter. Like mine. So I write HTML mails from the get-go so I can have a (better) chance to ensure they are formatted correctly.