From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1F8n3T-0008B6-PY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:24:28 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1DNNRat031865; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:23:27 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1DNIxFS008794 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:19:00 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1F8myB-0000Aw-7c for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:18:59 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1F8my6-00017T-CU for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:18:54 +0100 Received: from 213-162-120-196.michae422.adsl.metronet.co.uk ([213.162.120.196]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:18:54 +0100 Received: from michaelkintzios by 213-162-120-196.michae422.adsl.metronet.co.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:18:54 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Mick Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: user agent switcher - automatic Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:19:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1139853804.22732.18.camel@sysconcept.ca> <200602132042.16606.harmgeerts@home.nl> <1139860613.22729.38.camel@sysconcept.ca> <200602132129.44114.harmgeerts@home.nl> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213-162-120-196.michae422.adsl.metronet.co.uk User-Agent: KNode/0.9.3 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 18d72593-f683-4659-a67c-2709753ced2c X-Archives-Hash: e29b2aabfe9fe4211937a220340ca4cc Harm Geerts wrote: > On Monday 13 February 2006 20:56, Joseph wrote: >> I remember there was some kind of user agent for Mozilla (before >> firefox) that worked per url basis. >> >> Anyhow, the current user agent doesn't help me. I can seem to fool >> Canada Post web-loging screen with Firefox - user agent (it display >> log-in screen) but when I try to create an account it'll not the spoof. >> Can anybody try it: >> http://www.canadapost.ca/business/obc/default-e.asp?sblid=obc >> There is a link on the right: "New user... click here" > > As soon as the login page finishes loading I get redirected to a 404 page, > I don't even get the chance to do anything... > > You really should send an email to them about it and let them know they're > missing (give or take) 10% of potential customers by filtering > firefox/gecko browsers. > > With the browser requirements they have I'll never be able to register... > Their world stops with IE and netscape, IE obviously doesn't run native on > linux, and netscape is masked for amd64. > > webdevelopment, it's a dirty business :-) Their server sends a test cookie which discriminates against decent browsers! Firefox won't play. Opera falls apart irrespective of how I set it to identify itself. The same happens with Konqueror in the default user agent setting, but it logs in happily in the IE6 setting. Some bright spark has written 311 lines of code in a script which actively discriminates against most browsers & OS's out there. Some web-developers or businesses are concerned that they provide an identical web presence to all visitors for marketing/corporate identity purposes. A deformed/malfunctioning website is understandably not acceptable for them. Lazy wysiwyg web designers will not spend time to trim their code for most browsers to be able to show their content as intended. On the other hand one can end up chasing their tail if every browser invented has to show the same content. There's bound to be some differences. I understand that Google now discriminates against websites which . . . discriminate against particular browsers. IE and their wysiwyg HTML editing products have cause a lot of bad code out there and it will take some time to people to catch up and clean their code. Until then COMPLAIN! -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list