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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <2284374.iZASKD2KPV@rogueboard> <61ae6f8b-c889-5c7d-1e4a-2ab493f9bfb6@gmail.com> <4624142.cEBGB3zze1@rogueboard> <7f24b60f-b7bd-1a3f-83ca-722f34dcfd65@gmail.com> <7e93df09-d3a9-0710-a9e1-796815d64b83@gmail.com> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:11:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F9C79837DC4781B62447A92A" X-Archives-Salt: 0ec0a28a-a066-4fd8-ab98-efadb945e676 X-Archives-Hash: dfc0bd9476ce7832cb6942e1a5be9b15 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F9C79837DC4781B62447A92A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: >> Grant Edwards wrote: >> >>> It looks like your network is broken. Try this: >>> >>> $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 >>> Trying 209.85.145.109... >>> Connected to smtp.gmail.com. >>> Escape character is '^]'. >>> 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp >>> >>> Note: Port 587 is for plaintext connection and then shifting into TLS >>> mode with the starttls command. When configuring msmtp: >>> >>> port 587 >>> tls on >>> tls-starttls on >>> or >>> port 465 >>> tls on >>> tls-starttls off >>> >>> Port 465 starts using TLS immediately >>> >>> [...] >> Which package do I need for that telnet?  I see a few packages with that >> name.  > Any of them should work. I use net-misc/netkit-telnetd. It will also > install a telnet daemon, but it won't enbale it I have -1 in make.conf so whatever I install will be depcleaned later.  Anyway, I installed the one you mentioned and got this.  root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 Trying 142.251.116.108... Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable root@Gentoo-1 / # Can't connect.  Well, that explains a lot.  It can't reach anything to log into.  It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6.  So, I used ping.  It works there.  root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=32.1 ms 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=45.0 ms 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=39.3 ms ^C --- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108 PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms ^C --- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms root@Gentoo-1 / # What silly boo boo did I make this time????  >> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and >> send email there, > Do you mean can send email via Gmail's SMTP server using Seamonkey? > > How are the SMTP server settings configured in Seamonkey? > > Is it using Oauth2 or an app password? I checked,  It is using Oauth2.  I had to change it a good while back but I think SMART could still send emails for a while after that.  Seamonkey wouldn't fetch or send emails tho until I changed to the Oauth thing.  Also, it stopped autofetching emails with that too.  I used to have it set to check for new messages like every 20 minutes.  I have to manually check since the change.  Annoying as heck.  The first time I used the app password was when I was following guides on how to set up email for SMART when I realized it wasn't working on my new rig.  I don't use it on anything else.  I didn't realize it wasn't working on the old rig either.  >> hence this thread.  I figure I got something set up wrong after a >> Gmail change.  Sort of stupid to make something so secure you can't >> use it.  It's like buying a computer and saying the only way to >> secure it is to keep it turned off.  :/  > Well, that last part is true, as long as you keep it in a locked room. > > I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app > password worked fine from mutt. I don't have msmtp set up at the > moment. > That is true but why buy one if you can't run it?  LOL  This is yet another reason I want to switch from Gmail.  They nothing but nosy anyway.  I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the way.  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------F9C79837DC4781B62447A92A Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

Grant Edwards wrote:


It looks like your network is broken. Try this:

    $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
    Trying 209.85.145.109...
    Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp

Note: Port 587 is for plaintext connection and then shifting into TLS
mode with the starttls command.  When configuring msmtp:

    port 587
    tls on
    tls-starttls on
or
    port 465
    tls on
    tls-starttls off

Port 465 starts using TLS immediately

[...]

Which package do I need for that telnet?  I see a few packages with that
name. 

Any of them should work.  I use net-misc/netkit-telnetd.  It will also
install a telnet daemon, but it won't enbale it

I have -1 in make.conf so whatever I install will be depcleaned later.  Anyway, I installed the one you mentioned and got this. 


root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
Trying 142.251.116.108...
Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
root@Gentoo-1 / #


Can't connect.  Well, that explains a lot.  It can't reach anything to log into.  It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6.  So, I used ping.  It works there. 


root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=32.1 ms
64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=45.0 ms
64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=39.3 ms
^C
--- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms
root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108
PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms
64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms
64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms
^C
--- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms
root@Gentoo-1 / #


What silly boo boo did I make this time????  



        

          
I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and
send email there,


        

        
Do you mean can send email via Gmail's SMTP server using Seamonkey?

How are the SMTP server settings configured in Seamonkey?

Is it using Oauth2 or an app password?


      

    

    

    I checked,  It is using Oauth2.  I had to change it a good while
    back but I think SMART could still send emails for a while after
    that.  Seamonkey wouldn't fetch or send emails tho until I changed
    to the Oauth thing.  Also, it stopped autofetching emails with that
    too.  I used to have it set to check for new messages like every 20
    minutes.  I have to manually check since the change.  Annoying as
    heck.  

    

    The first time I used the app password was when I was following
    guides on how to set up email for SMART when I realized it wasn't
    working on my new rig.  I don't use it on anything else.  I didn't
    realize it wasn't working on the old rig either.  

    

    

    

      

        

        

          
hence this thread.  I figure I got something set up wrong after a
Gmail change.  Sort of stupid to make something so secure you can't
use it.  It's like buying a computer and saying the only way to
secure it is to keep it turned off.  :/ 


        

        
Well, that last part is true, as long as you keep it in a locked room.

I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
moment.



      

    

    

    That is true but why buy one if you can't run it?  LOL  This is yet
    another reason I want to switch from Gmail.  They nothing but nosy
    anyway.  I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails
    and use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by
    the way.  

    

    Dale 

    

    :-)  :-)  

  


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