From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-54180-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1Gfdk5-0005tC-4F for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:40:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id kA2EbMs2028163; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:37:22 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kA2EYlrY011591 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:34:48 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so1541693nfa for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:34:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lCON60aq16dplYW2F+X/b4d+yTwC8cBx5n7Q7V3FQhv2XETN6jWai5qjr8Pojs5yUngAXu12wRFFeQGSNo1a39Sv32dgWOWyNOEN4q1pmHRvEpjYYkQJ6TSMjwr7utJDwmW+3v/PtH1RBqc7uf1bEyvozZUgipMBFQw2vou8mUA= Received: by 10.82.111.8 with SMTP id j8mr159969buc.1162478086244; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.177.12 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 06:34:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <dd0cef60611020634lbf67b05u227c29925a3e8620@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 06:34:46 -0800 From: "Joshua Schmidlkofer" <joshland@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] BIG reiserfs problem In-Reply-To: <45486EB8.5030305@paradise.net.nz> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <d03887390610280316t38f83b1fi778dc46572d3a463@mail.gmail.com> <200610310917.48293.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> <200610311104.01802.uwix@iway.na> <200610311713.27803.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> <45478CD6.4070502@ilievnet.com> <dd0cef60610311123y4ede7063sb79797fb75239c04@mail.gmail.com> <45486EB8.5030305@paradise.net.nz> X-Archives-Salt: 5474147d-11fb-4e73-ab13-7203fba4eb03 X-Archives-Hash: d9fb7163b7c08175df6800d62419edff > While this is true, it also may dramatically lower the mean time to > failure for your disk, due to increased ware and tear - consumer ATA > drives are designed to operate with the write cache on. > > If you cannot afford to lose data due to poweroff corruption, then the > only viable solution is a RAID card that includes battery backup (e.g. > 3Ware and Areca sell these). > Mark, Thank you for clarifying. My comments were obscure and poorly worded. You are correct. If one requires supreme data-safety with an ATA drive, one must do things that will ultimately be counter-productive for the longevity of your disks. Furthermore, (I can fully attest) that they will be a significant hit on performance. If you need high safety, speed, and retention, then the 3ware + Battery backup is a low-cast solution. There are tons of higher cost ones. most of me servers run with battery-backed RAID cards. I also like to make scripts to remount the FSs with -o sync in the case of power outage. That way, just in case the UPS actually fails early (which happens at times), I don't lose data. I have had that preference no matter what FS i use. sincerely, Joshua -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list