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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <3719941.fjHdSEpZyq@peak> <3696924.CMMy0m93A0@peak> <20160830083455.739cc9a1@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> <20160830084722.009963a1@digimed.co.uk> <20160901220819.7a1183df@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:57:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160901220819.7a1183df@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 77d089e7-4a9f-4130-92ea-53363ab7c996 X-Archives-Hash: 6369ee3453c38ca01c4ac3ed30bfcebb On 01/09/2016 22:08, Kai Krakow wrote: > Am Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:47:22 +0100 > schrieb Neil Bothwick : > >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:34:55 +0200, Kai Krakow wrote: >> >>> Surprise surprise, 4.7 has this (still not fully fixed) oom-killer >>> bug. When I'm running virtual machines, it still kicks in. I wanted >>> to stay on 4.6.x until 4.8 is released, and only then switch to >>> 4.7. Now I was forced early (I'm using btrfs), and was instantly >>> punished by doing so: >> >> No one forced you to do anything. You 4.6 kernel was still in boot, >> your 4.6 sources were still installed. The ebuild was only removed >> fro the portage tree, nothing was uninstalled from your system unless >> you did it. Even the ebuild was still on your computer in /var/db/pkg. > > Of course nobody forced me. I just can't follow how the 4.7 ebuild > kind-of replaced the 4.6 (and others) ebuild in face of this pretty > mature oom-killer problem. > > Removal of a 4.6 series ebuild also means there would follow no updates > - so my next upgrade would "force" me into deciding going way down > (probably a bad idea) or up into unknown territory (and this showed: > can also be a problem). Or I can stay with 4.6 until depclean removed > it for good (which will, by the way, remove the files from /usr/src). > > I think masking had been a much more fair option, especially because > portage has means of displaying me the reasoning behind masking it. > > In the end, I simply was really unprepared for this - and this is > usually not how Gentoo works and always worked for me. I'm used to > Gentoo doing better. > > Even if the 4.6 series were keyworded - in case of kernel packages they > should not be removed without masking first. I think a lot of people > like to stay - at least temporary - close to kernel mainline because > they want to use the one or other feature. > > And then my workflow is always like this: If an ebuild is removed, it's > time to also remove it from my installation and replace it with another > version or an alternative. I usually do this during the masking phase. > Was the ebuild removed from arch or ~arch? If arch, then you have a point. If ~arch, then you don't have a point. Gentoo has pretty much always expected you to deal with $WHATEVER_HAPPENS on ~arch. There has never been a guarantee (not even a loose one) that anything will ever stick around in ~arch. Alan