Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

[Kai Peter <kp@lists.openqmail.org>]

On 2017-12-11 13:39, Mick wrote:
> On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés 
>> <caneko@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution
>> > to
>> > this thread;
>> 
>> Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. Of
>> course, I wouldn't dream of telling people how they should think, nor
>> would I deny anyone the right to be an activist.
>> 
>> > Enjoy your echo chamber.
>> 
>> Thank you for your contribution, Dr. Yes, we know you're a Dr. We know
>> it because:
> 
> Crikey!  I didn't expect my question to trigger yet another thread of 
> 'systemd
> Vs freedom of choice (non-systemd)' arguments.  Dr. Canek has been an 
> advocate
This is the nature of a mailing list ... ;-)

> of systemd for years now and has posted his views on this topic more 
> than
> once.  He has tried hard to make gentoo users see the light in the 
> superiority
> of systemd and put his arguments across.  He has also done a lot of
> development work to establish systemd in Gentoo.  His views are 
> somewhat
> parochial - only those who (can) code have an influence if not a right 
> to
> determine the direction of travel - I paraphrase of course.  There is 
> truth in
> this and anyone can recognise that money can buy developer hours and 
> direct
> their development effort.
> 
> The facts remain that RHL and their employees have shaped the Linux 
> eco-system
> to suit their business interests;  spinning predictably and reliably 
> thousands
> of identical VMs in data centres.  The MSWindows monolithic stack 
> architecture
> is something they wanted/needed and this is what they developed.
> 
> The fact also remains that binary distros and other development 
> projects
> decided to gravitate towards major development areas (cloud and 
> embedded
> computing) where commercial interest and development demand has been 
> greater.
> Lack of devs and maintainers especially for smaller distros means they 
> decided
> to ride on the back of systemd and minimise their own development load. 
>  Linux
IMHO there isn't a lack of devs and/or maintainers. To me the issue is 
that they doesn't work as good together as they should. To less 
compromises. To many forks. Thus, unfortunately, leads into more market 
fragmentation. It is good to have a choice, but it is not good to have a 
lot - to many - choices. And this is not limited to init systems.

> exists on the desktop too, but this represents a really small 
> percentage of PC
> users.  Linux desktop users on Gentoo systems is an even smaller number 
> and I
> am guessing of an increasingly advanced age demographic.
> 
> I am grateful that Gentoo has retained openrc and provides a choice for 
> those
> of us who would prefer to not use systemd.  I use systemd on a couple 
> of
> systems out of necessity/convenience, but I would not like it on my PC
> systems.  If I wanted this opaque Just Works™ philosophy I would have 
> stayed
> with MSWindows or AppleMac, both of which I have used for years and 
> frustrated
> me to hell - well MSWindows definitely does.  However, for the majority 
> of the
> population these OS remain the best suited choice.  So, I think we 
> should live
> & let live, but as gentoo users at least try to influence gentoo to 
> retain a
> freedom of choice most binary distros have walked away from.
> 
> Just my 2c's.
+1 in general ;-), even if I'm pretty sure some people will interpret 
something different.

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