From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HFqea-0005er-6x for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:44:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l1ABhKrG032470; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:43:20 GMT Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1ABdS0g027928 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:39:29 GMT Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so1004885nze for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:39:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L1FYsUmVU8rK4bmgVESNQui+NilP1pqFH4jVjnnW07mS/tEvHOXrmVArjoZAx6IoiB3D6c30JOnWlZor2p3cr/xY7RIshEhAprkogiw4tS228vxngtOYElK+YN0feUz6TXJI420KiLSw5I62rvwhTtkVpsGlSvnNeuiHqeQHW60= Received: by 10.114.197.1 with SMTP id u1mr5389458waf.1171107567736; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.25.19 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:39:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:39:27 +0200 From: "Alexandru Mincu" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Putting gentoo to work :) In-Reply-To: <45CCF354.2010804@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32920_8937204.1171107567543" References: <45CCF354.2010804@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: f3d5663e-a8af-4081-9cf2-c069f6d7920b X-Archives-Hash: 51ba76236d92855410b6d121275b3400 ------=_Part_32920_8937204.1171107567543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/10/07, b.n. wrote: > > Alexandru Mincu ha scritto: > > First of all let's start with the clients... > > I am a Gnome fan and I think it is better and simpler to use, but them > > if you have windows users that you want to put to use linux, kde might > > be a better option... although this is a matter of taste I would accept > > some suggestions(without killing each other here), bu please take in > > consideration all the things i want to add. > > > > Things required: > > Email, > > Calendar sharing, > > IM, > > Office suite, > > other bullshit managers use to put you to work(suggestions accepted > here) :) > > Web browsing, > > A content management system > > You should be a bit more clear. > - What is the, let's say, noobness-level of users of the thin clients? > Will they be scared by anything not exactly Windows-like or not? Well they are all noobs ... I am talking about like 90% of the people there don't have any idea linux exists :). That's why usability is a key here... i want it to be easy to use even if you did not ever see a linux desktop in your life. - What do you mean *exactly* for CMS? A web based CMS, for an internal > blog for example? Is this centralized or maintained by users? Do you > instead need something for mutual information sharing and deposit? (in > this case, I'd advice for a Wiki) Or it is something local, user > specific, to take notes etc.? (in that case, Tomboy or basKet could be > nice apps) Well I was thinking about a web based cms, kind of like a wiki but i would also like the possibility to store versioned files and manage documents per task(i mean for this matter you have 5 written files). - Do you need connectivity with external Windows machines? MS Exchange > servers? Well i was thinking into configuring the server to be a VPN server and giving VNC clients that connet to a VNC server in the network ... this way they can access their hole desktop and not just 1 thing from the windows machines.... This is because I hope that the only windows machines there will be the laptops and not the desktops. Not exchange server there for the moment .... I would prefer an OS variant to exchange ... - Do you need to exchange data with MS Office users? Well ... you always need this... but i think OO dose a good job for that .... - IM is fully internal or need interoperability with external apps? well i will start with an internal server and mabe use gaim to let users access them all :). Which ones? Do you need VOIP? No voip. Only thing I can directly advice you is Firefox for web browsing (best > support). For everything else, I don't know. A general advice could be > to keep as much as possible applications belonging to the same desktop. > I'm quite on the KDE side, and I think that Konqueror (the file > manager), K3b and Kopete are truly superior apps that may make the > difference in your case. > > > I also think that some eye candy would be gr8 to have ... I tried both > > compiz and beryl, but none were stable for me... it's true i was using > > nvidia's beta driers but anyway. have any of you tried compiz or beryl? > > which one is really stable and ready to use for a company? Is the > > Xgl+(compiz|beryl) variant stable? I for one really liked beryl's > > features but it seems to be more unstable than compiz. > > I think compiz and beryl, in their current state, make little sense for > such a corporate network. However I understand they can impress your > boss in letting him think (rightly so, even if for partially wrong > reasons) that you are installing a technically superior solution. > > Well, it seems currently Beryl is the one gaining momentum. The recent > Wall plugin seems at the same time very useful and very visually > impressive. If you are sure about going that way, stick to *really* > useful plugins (basically the Expos=E8-like thing, I don't remember its > name, and the Wall). About stability, I can't say. Yes ... I also saw the Wall plugin ... and was thinking about the same thin= g ... I must do an XGL+beryl install and stress test it to see CPU usage and stability. > Now for updates .. which profile do you think would better suit a > > company .. should I use hardend gentoo? Is there a version of gentoo > > that keeps things down with the upgrades to stable packages or I should > > keep my own tree and sync only the stuff I want and test into it? > > I'd go for the second. Hardened gentoo could be an idea, but I truly > don't know what kind of problems it can have -personally I would put a > tight OpenBSD firewall between the server and the Internet. > > In every case, having a test machine where checking *every* package > upgrade extensively should be a must. Thought so ... hard work but it's worth it :). m. Thanks :) -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > --=20 Alexandru Mincu Tel: +40745515505/+40723573761 ------=_Part_32920_8937204.1171107567543 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/10/07, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:
Alexandru Mincu ha scritto:
> First of all let's start with the c= lients...
> I am a Gnome fan and I think it is better and simpler to = use, but them
> if you have windows users that you want to put to use= linux, kde might
> be a better option... although this is a matter of taste I would a= ccept
> some suggestions(without killing each other here), bu please = take in
> consideration all the things i want to add.
>
> Things required:
> Email,
> Calendar  sharing,> IM,
> Office suite,
> other bullshit managers use to put= you to work(suggestions accepted here) :)
> Web  browsing,=
> A content management system

You should be a bit more clear.
- What is the, let's say, no= obness-level of users of the thin clients?
Will they be scared by anythi= ng not exactly Windows-like or not?

Well they are all = noobs ... I  am talking  about like 90%  of the  people=   there  don't have any idea linux exists :). That's why = usability is a key here... i want it to be easy to use even if you did not = ever see a linux desktop in your life.

- W= hat do you mean *exactly* for CMS? A web based CMS, for an internal
blog= for example? Is this centralized or maintained by users? Do you
instead need something for mutual information sharing and deposit? (in<= br>this case, I'd advice for a Wiki) Or it is something local, user
= specific, to take notes etc.? (in that case, Tomboy or basKet could be
nice apps)

Well I was thinking about a web based cms, = kind of like a wiki but i would also like the possibility to store versione= d files and manage documents per task(i mean for this matter you have 5 wri= tten files).

- D= o you need connectivity with external Windows machines? MS Exchange
serv= ers?

Well i was thinking into configuring the server to be= a VPN server and giving VNC clients that connet to a VNC server in the net= work ... this way they can access their hole desktop and not just 1 thing f= rom the windows machines.... This is because I hope that the only windows m= achines there will be the laptops and not the desktops.
Not exchange server there for the moment .... I would prefer an OS vari= ant to exchange ...

- Do you need to exchange data with MS Office users?

W= ell ... you always need  this... but i think OO  dose a good job = for that ....

- IM is fully internal or need interoperability with external apps?

well i will start with  an internal server and mabe use = gaim to let users access them all :).

Which ones? Do you need VOIP?

No voip.

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2= 04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Only thing I can d= irectly advice you is Firefox for web browsing (best
support). For everything else, I don't know. A general advice could= be
to keep as much as possible applications belonging to the same deskt= op.
I'm quite on the KDE side, and I think that Konqueror (the file
manager), K3b and Kopete are truly superior apps that may make the
d= ifference in your case.

> I also think that some eye candy would = be gr8 to have ... I tried both
> compiz and beryl, but none were sta= ble for me... it's true i was using
> nvidia's beta driers but anyway. have any of you tried compiz = or beryl?
> which one is really stable and ready to use for a company= ? Is the
> Xgl+(compiz|beryl) variant stable? I for one really liked = beryl's
> features but it seems to be more unstable than compiz.

I th= ink compiz and beryl, in their current state, make little sense for
such= a corporate network. However I understand they can impress your
boss in= letting him think (rightly so, even if for partially wrong
reasons) that you are installing a technically superior solution.
Well, it seems currently Beryl is the one gaining momentum. The recentWall plugin seems at the same time very useful and very visually
impres= sive. If you are sure about going that way, stick to *really*
useful plugins (basically the Expos=E8-like thing, I don't remember= its
name, and the Wall). About stability, I can't say.
=

Yes ... I also saw the Wall plugin ... and was thinking about the = same thing ... I must do an XGL+beryl install and stress test it to see CPU= usage and stability.

>= ; Now for updates .. which profile do you think would better suit a
>= company .. should I use hardend gentoo? Is there a version of gentoo
> that keeps things down with the upgrades to stable packages or I s= hould
> keep my own tree and sync only the stuff I want and test into= it?

I'd go for the second. Hardened gentoo could be an idea, bu= t I truly
don't know what kind of problems it can have -personally I would pu= t a
tight OpenBSD firewall between the server and the Internet.

I= n every case, having a test machine where checking *every* package
upgra= de extensively should be a must.

Thought so ... hard work but it's worth it :).

m.

Thanks :)

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