[gentoo-user] xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[gentoo-user] xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[James]

Hello,

I'm looking for some advice on an amd64 system.
I have this video card:

01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7269
        Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 0d03


Which is actually this card:
R580 [Radeon X1900 XT] (Secondary)

according to this page:
http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii//?i=1002

Anyway, it was a very arduous task setting up X, 3D and such with this
card on an amd64. Now it's time to update xorg-server, as part of 
the routine software updates to a stable system, and it says that 
ati-drivers is blocking the update:

blocks B      x11-drivers/ati-drivers (is blocking x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0)


I'm using this version of ati-drivers, as it worked the most reliable
with 3D applications (BZflag) in particular.

x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5  USE="acpi qt3" 0 kB

One thing that I as never really comfortable with is this make.conf
entry that I ended up using shich I gleaned from several wikis:
VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev fglrx vesa"

I'm still using an older kernel, (2.6.18-gentoo-r6)
so any advice on kernel versions  or options to use with this video 
card are welcome.

Any advice on which 3D drivers options are now available for this 
card or which version of ati-drivers I should install to keep
xorg-server-1.3.0.0 happy are welcome. The only information I 
can find googling is not current with these newer versions 
of ati-drivers, 2.6.20+ kernels, 3D and xorg-server 1.3.



James


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[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[Remy Blank]

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James wrote:
> blocks B      x11-drivers/ati-drivers (is blocking x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0)

That's because none of the current ati-drivers work with xorg-server-1.3.

> One thing that I as never really comfortable with is this make.conf
> entry that I ended up using shich I gleaned from several wikis:
> VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev fglrx vesa"

This only means that the drivers for framebuffer, ati-drivers and vesa
will be built for xorg. In your case you have probably configured xorg
to use the ati-drivers (fglrx). It is a good idea to have the vesa
driver handy in case something breaks after an update. It allows you to
configure a slow but mostly working X11.

> I'm still using an older kernel, (2.6.18-gentoo-r6)
> so any advice on kernel versions  or options to use with this video 
> card are welcome.

From what I remember from bugs.gentoo.org, 2.6.19 should work fine with
all recent ati-drivers, whereas 2.6.20 seems to be problematic.

> Any advice on which 3D drivers options are now available for this 
> card or which version of ati-drivers I should install to keep
> xorg-server-1.3.0.0 happy are welcome. The only information I 
> can find googling is not current with these newer versions 
> of ati-drivers, 2.6.20+ kernels, 3D and xorg-server 1.3.

Stay away from xorg-server-1.3 and kernel-2.6.20 or later until ATI
releases new versions that work with them.

-- Remy


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[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[James]

Remy Blank <remy.blank <at> pobox.com> writes:


> Stay away from xorg-server-1.3 and kernel-2.6.20 or later until ATI
> releases new versions that work with them.


This is what I was looking for. I do not stay on top of these issues,
and the system is working reasonable well right now. I just
cannot get the logitech joystick (game controller) to work with
this rig. It works on 4 other intel/ati systems, or athlon/nividia
based systems but those all use the radeon drivers or nvidia drivers.


Thanks for bringing me up to speed on these issues!



James






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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[Stuart Howard]

This link to the forum though I realise it is nvidia based it may give
some further information the posts refer to a bug which further refers
to another bug which is the ATI issue but the general point is there.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-556528-highlight-nvidia+block.html

On 07/05/07, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Remy Blank <remy.blank <at> pobox.com> writes:
>
>
> > Stay away from xorg-server-1.3 and kernel-2.6.20 or later until ATI
> > releases new versions that work with them.
>
>
> This is what I was looking for. I do not stay on top of these issues,
> and the system is working reasonable well right now. I just
> cannot get the logitech joystick (game controller) to work with
> this rig. It works on 4 other intel/ati systems, or athlon/nividia
> based systems but those all use the radeon drivers or nvidia drivers.
>
>
> Thanks for bringing me up to speed on these issues!
>
>
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[James]

Stuart Howard <stuart.g.howard <at> gmail.com> writes:


> This link to the forum though I realise it is nvidia based it may give
> some further information the posts refer to a bug which further refers
> to another bug which is the ATI issue but the general point is there.

> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-556528-highlight-nvidia+block.html


Hello Stuart,

Interesting reading. Here's what I currently used on my system:

x11-base/xorg-server  Installed versions:  1.1.1-r1

x11-drivers/ati-drivers   Installed versions:  8.35.5


This all works with my ATI 1900XT card (glx gears runs 
on a full 22 inch widescreen (1680 x 1050) at 1800 FPS.
The little default 2x2 runs glxgears at 11,000 FPS.


This might explain why every permutaion of ati-drivers
and xorg-server that I entered into /etc/portage/package.mask
does not neutralize the request to upgrade xorg-server to 1.3.0.0

## I tried every permutation possible here, nothings masks
##the upgrade request so I can continue with routine upgrades
<=x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.1-r1
>=x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.32.5


blocks B   x11-drivers/ati-drivers (
is blocking x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0)

I did not glean from the discussion how to neutralize the erroneous
upgrade request so I can perform the other upgrades. Any ideas on that?



James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[Stuart Howard]

All versions of the ATI driver are blocking xorg-server 1.3 at the
moment so you are not going to get around that one easily.
If you look at the --tree to find out what package is asking for the
upgrade of xorg-server and then mask that? this may help.


On 08/05/07, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Stuart Howard <stuart.g.howard <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> > This link to the forum though I realise it is nvidia based it may give
> > some further information the posts refer to a bug which further refers
> > to another bug which is the ATI issue but the general point is there.
>
> > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-556528-highlight-nvidia+block.html
>
>
> Hello Stuart,
>
> Interesting reading. Here's what I currently used on my system:
>
> x11-base/xorg-server  Installed versions:  1.1.1-r1
>
> x11-drivers/ati-drivers   Installed versions:  8.35.5
>
>
> This all works with my ATI 1900XT card (glx gears runs
> on a full 22 inch widescreen (1680 x 1050) at 1800 FPS.
> The little default 2x2 runs glxgears at 11,000 FPS.
>
>
> This might explain why every permutaion of ati-drivers
> and xorg-server that I entered into /etc/portage/package.mask
> does not neutralize the request to upgrade xorg-server to 1.3.0.0
>
> ## I tried every permutation possible here, nothings masks
> ##the upgrade request so I can continue with routine upgrades
> <=x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.1-r1
> >=x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.32.5
>
>
> blocks B   x11-drivers/ati-drivers (
> is blocking x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0)
>
> I did not glean from the discussion how to neutralize the erroneous
> upgrade request so I can perform the other upgrades. Any ideas on that?
>
>
>
> James
>
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>


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[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[James]

Stuart Howard <stuart.g.howard <at> gmail.com> writes:


> All versions of the ATI driver are blocking xorg-server 1.3 at the
> moment so you are not going to get around that one easily.
> If you look at the --tree to find out what package is asking for the
> upgrade of xorg-server and then mask that? this may help.


Ok,

Thanks


James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server blocked by ati-drivers

[Iain Buchanan]

On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 17:27 +0000, James wrote:
> Stuart Howard <stuart.g.howard <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
> > All versions of the ATI driver are blocking xorg-server 1.3 at the
> > moment so you are not going to get around that one easily.
> > If you look at the --tree to find out what package is asking for the
> > upgrade of xorg-server and then mask that? this may help.
> 
> 
> Ok,

I just compiled xorg-server like this:

conf_opts="--with-release-major=7 --with-release-minor=2" emerge
xorg-server

and I use x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.36.5 from my overlay.

works fine.

see http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-554798.html

HTH,
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