From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDSQW-0002jr-9R for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:32:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16195E0542; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49611E0548 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so2030752wah.10 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:31:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wX+Ycou8ucXdFrYPWrKYQZtjTnqwKY04ugwHj8kW+j4=; b=Gb0noUVzI6HX/ym0KDlRjpyLUFdFx/Obh4ywBIlIObMhNV2+aqyewOS+jqp+C6TQivFrHryf3ZR84dnE8787xLM+STgCjlm8J1tb+VkzNStMWSgHj2s1+Bx9DpfNG5t2+BShuZvjT60x3eCS8GW+4NLMsNIFg0G0KVQjhA3ZJcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qehZovKez1kWerZLrGKykst/Qzb4EmnEjEqceaYS1eoVL7veczjlWy7gvXeDXdPkLuIIBWj6yXQLCPm9TlrRT9CT9Dx1+4n0pNaRD6i82xEe0PorDnOv1Zb4l8ndrtEZrnenIHfIy3jddb6UvEpyvhehALWE6FxTww/ijmq9BOI= Received: by 10.114.38.2 with SMTP id l2mr786946wal.106.1200090698855; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.46.9 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:31:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:31:38 +0100 From: Galevsky To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead? In-Reply-To: <3902701.BmRSot1XaP@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <6142e6140801110037p7d5167c5y619b318ba1bf652e@mail.gmail.com> <1200041896.10339.13.camel@localhost> <20080111091237.GB12107@localhost> <1343558.gq7T5pozvP@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> <3902701.BmRSot1XaP@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> X-Archives-Salt: 1c578ecf-3fef-4ebd-b15c-e874b25cee2c X-Archives-Hash: 6c95048b70a9eb5e72edc74a263e72ea On Jan 11, 2008 8:08 PM, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > GRML ? Knoppix ? other LiveCD ? What for, man ? > > Oh, quite easy - to install Gentoo. That way, the knowledge of experts > in creating live CDs is leveraged. NIH is not a good point of view, if > you ask me. > > > Using extra rescue > > systems is a liberty, of course, but why should it be a must ? I > > Easy - to make use of expert knowledge. To save resources, as that's > obviously a scarcity in Gentoo. Not sure that in the whole Gentoo community we cannot find someone not interested in dev stuff but okay to build CD releases... I can understand the understaffed argument, but in that case don't tell me that install CD is bad, tell me Gentoo has no resource for, but the debate is "does Gentoo need install CD or not ?". > > see no gain in downloading and burning one more system... > > Uhm? That doesn't make sense. Downloading GRML is no worse than > downloading a Gentoo Live CD. Yes it is. Portage is not included, you depend on other systems that don't mind about Gentoo needs and could go on different way, and I find very strange to have a 2.6.23 stable in Gentoo, but not necessary on other liveCD at the same time, plus networkless installations... I think it is very good -for any distro- to have an installCD that brings a good system to not-connected machines. Just for them. > > [...] I don't want to take care about > > versions > > Me neither, but that's a dream. I mean dealing with Gentoo components versions sounds sensible.... watching GRML/Knoppix/whatever website for a Gentoo install...surely less. > > So, of course, as far as > > one of linux distro at least will provide a way to boot up an > > up-to-date kernel, all the other distros won't have to maintain their > > own releases, but in the end, I am not sure that the whole community > > wants to launch the Windows Ubuntu installer, download the required > > packages manager from the web and update the system from the good > > repository. > > I don't get, what you were trying to say here. I mean that one particular aspect of linux world that I love is choice. I am very pleased to show different live CD to newbies and I hope that all other distros won't have the same reasoning. Okay, GRML does a nice job. But if a Gentoo user wants to spend time to build liveCD, I see no reason not to let him release official iso ... and propose a Gentoo alternative. Certainly not because guys are experts in rescue systems at grml.org. Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list